What Is the Minimal Tension Angle for a Mass Pulled Horizontally?

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The problem involves a body being pulled horizontally by a string while moving at a constant speed, with a focus on determining the angle between the string and the horizontal surface that minimizes the tension in the string. The context includes concepts from mechanics, particularly involving forces, tension, friction, and angles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationships between the forces acting on the body, including tension, normal force, and friction. There are attempts to derive expressions for tension in terms of angle and other variables. Questions arise about the differentiation process to find the minimal angle and the implications of the results.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables involved, with some participants suggesting methods to express the forces in terms of each other. Concerns about the uniqueness of the solution and the connection between the equations are noted, indicating a productive dialogue without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to consider the normal force and friction in their equations, and there is acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by having multiple unknowns. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the proper approach to minimize tension and the implications of the derived expressions.

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Homework Statement


Body of mass m is being pulled by a string so that it moves horizontally at constant speed.
Friction coefficient between surface and body is u.Find an angle (alpha) between a string and horizontal surface for which tension in string is minimal and find that tension.

Homework Equations


weight w=mg ; n=normal force
friction force=f=un
acceleration due x-axis=0
tension T

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> \sum F_y=Tsin(\alpha)+n+(-w)=0; \\<br /> T=\frac{(mg-n)}{sin(\alpha)} \\<br /> \sum F_x=Tcos(\alpha)+(-f)=0 \\<br /> \sum F_x=Tcos(\alpha)+(-un)=0; \: Tcos\alpha=un ; \\<br /> T=\frac{umg}{cos\alpha} \\<br /> \frac{(mg-n)}{sin(\alpha)}=\frac{umg}{cos\alpha} \\<br /> tan\alpha=\frac{mg-n}{umg}<br />

Now I'm not sure what to do next.I need to find minimal angle so derivative of the last expression should be zero.Or should I differentiate arctan?I'm confused.
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I can't follow what you wrote. What are f and n?

You might consider: express Fx as a function of Fy and constants where T2 = Fx2 + Fy2.

Then, express Fx and Fy as functions of constants and θ.
Then find minimum of T in the usual way.
Warning: the math is a bit messy but the answer is beautifully simple.
 
Bruneleski said:
Now I'm not sure what to do next.I need to find minimal angle so derivative of the last expression should be zero.Or should I differentiate arctan?I'm confused.
Don't cancel the tension if you are interested in it. You are not interested in the normal force, so you can get rid of this, that gives you an expression with tension and angle in it.
 
@rude man , Note what i wrote under 2. : f - friction force, n - normal force
@mfb I'm not sure how to connect these

T=umg/cosα
T=(mg-n)/sinα

If i just differentiate T=umgcosx, I get nonsensical angle
<br /> T&#039;=-\frac{umg}{cos^2(\alpha)}<br />

So this to be minimum(zero) , angle should be 90 degrees which makes no sense
 
The normal force is not mg, you have to consider this for the horizontal part (you did that correctly for the vertical part).

Bruneleski said:
I'm not sure how to connect these
You have two equations with three unknown parameters - tension, angle, and normal force. This does not have a unique solution. To find the angle of minimal tension, it would be nice to have an equation that depends on tension and angle only (there you can follow the standard approach with the derivative), but not on the unknown normal force any more. You can solve one equation for the normal force and plug it into the other to get that.
 

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