What is the minimum frequency needed to spin a bucket without spilling water?

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The discussion revolves around determining the minimum frequency required to spin a bucket filled with water in a vertical circular motion without spilling the water. The problem involves concepts from circular motion and forces acting on the bucket.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between centripetal force and gravitational force, questioning how to derive the minimum frequency from the conditions required to keep the water in the bucket. There are attempts to relate velocity and frequency through various equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between speed and frequency, and there is an ongoing effort to simplify the derived expressions. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the bucket is spun in a vertical circle and are considering the forces at play at the top of the motion. There is a focus on ensuring that the water does not spill, which influences the calculations being discussed.

devanlevin
a bucket is filled with water and tied to a rope with a length of "L=1m", the bucket is then spun in a verticle circular motion ,
what is the minimum frequency the bucket can be spun at in order for the water to not spill?

i realize that i need to find the centripeutal force. is it mv^2/r??

from there i can find f=(v/L)*(1/2pi)

the correct answer is (1/2pi)*sqrt(g/L)--- where have i gone wrong
 
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devanlevin said:
i realize that i need to find the centripeutal force. is it mv^2/r??
Yes.

from there i can find f=(v/L)*(1/2pi)
How did you get this result?
 
using the equation for frequency in circular motion, i realize its wrong,
do i need to compare mv^2/L to mg, saying that it will not fall out when mv^2/L=mg
ie when v^2/L=g
v=(sqrt(g*L)
still not right??
 
devanlevin said:
do i need to compare mv^2/L to mg, saying that it will not fall out when mv^2/L=mg
ie when v^2/L=g
v=(sqrt(g*L)
Yes, that's the minimum speed at the top to keep the water in the bucket. Use that speed to find the minimum frequency. Hint: It goes in a circle.
 
so, using equation for frequency (f)

[tex]\omega[/tex]=2(pi)f

f=[tex]\frac{\omega}{2pi}[/tex]

[tex]\omega[/tex]=[tex]\frac{v}{L}[/tex]

f=[tex]\frac{v/L}{2pi}[/tex]


v=[tex]\sqrt{g*L}[/tex]

f=[tex]\frac{\sqrt{g*L}/L}{2\pi}[/tex]
 
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devanlevin said:
f=[tex]\frac{\sqrt{g*L}/L}{2\pi}[/tex]
Good. Now simplify that a bit so it looks like the given answer.
 

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