What is the Minimum Length of AP + PB?

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The discussion centers around the problem of finding the coordinates of point P on the line segment OB that minimizes the length of the path AP + PB, where A and B are fixed points. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of geometric properties related to the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a function for the length AP + PB and attempts to find its minimum by taking the derivative.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the derivative step, suggesting that the expression $$\frac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+25}} < 1$$ for any value of x indicates a flaw in the reasoning.
  • Some participants argue that the minimum length occurs when P coincides with B, suggesting that the problem's setup may imply a straight line configuration for minimum distance.
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of the problem statement, with some participants suggesting it does not explicitly define APB as a triangle.
  • One participant clarifies that APB is "supposed to be" a triangle, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's geometric implications.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of the problem and the conditions under which the minimum length occurs. There is no consensus on the correct approach or solution.

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The discussion highlights uncertainties in the mathematical steps taken and the assumptions about the geometric configuration of points A, B, and P. The problem's wording may lead to different interpretations regarding the nature of the triangle and the conditions for minimizing the length.

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The point A is located on the coordinate (0, 5) and B is located on (10, 0). Point P(x, 0) is located on the line segment OB with O(0, 0). The coordinate of P so that the length AP + PB minimum is ...
A. (3, 0)
B. (3 1/4, 0)
C. (3 3/4, 0)
D. (4 1/2, 0)
E. (5, 0)

What I did:
f(x) = AP + PB =$$\sqrt{5^2+x^2}+(10-x)=\sqrt{25+x^2}+10-x$$
In order to make AP + PB minimum, so:
f'(x) = 0
$$\frac12(25+x^2)^{-\frac12}(2x)+(-1)=0$$
$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{25+x^2}}=1$$
$$x=\sqrt{25+x^2}$$
$$x^2=25+x^2$$
This is where I got stuck. Subtracting $$x^2$$ from both sides would leave me with 0 = 25 which is obviously incorrect. Where did I do wrong?
 
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uhh ...

$\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{x^2+25}} < 1$ for any value of $x$
 
So, which steps should I fix? And become what?
 
There is something wrong with this question. The length AP + PB will be a minimum when APB is a straight line, and that happens when P = B. So the answer should be that P has coordinates (10,0).

Notice that to allow for the possibility $x>10$, the formula for $f(x)$ should be $\sqrt{5^2+x^2} + |10-x|$, which is indeed minimised at $x=10$.
 
Opalg said:
There is something wrong with this question. The length AP + PB will be a minimum when APB is a straight line, and that happens when P = B. So the answer should be that P has coordinates (10,0).
Come to think of it, you're right. APB is a triangle thus the minimum length of AP + PB should be AB. Thanks. Glad I'm not the one who messed up.
 
APB is a triangle ...

The problem statement does not say APB is a triangle. I believe the problem's aim was to show the possibility of an endpoint minimum.
 
I think I should have said that APB is "supposed to be" a triangle, not necessarily a triangle itself.
 

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