What Is the Minimum Polynomial for a Given Nonlinear Function in P2?

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The discussion revolves around finding the minimum polynomial for a nonlinear function defined on the vector space of real polynomials of degree less than or equal to 2, specifically focusing on the function that involves an integral of the squared difference between a polynomial and a cosine function. Participants explore the geometric interpretation of the problem and the concept of orthogonal projection in the context of polynomial spaces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the process of finding an orthonormal basis for the polynomial space and the use of the Gram-Schmidt procedure. There are questions regarding the completeness of the basis and the definition of the inner product used in the context of the problem. Some participants suggest considering the projection of a function onto the polynomial space as a method to minimize the integral.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the necessary steps to find the minimum polynomial. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the basis and inner product definitions, and some guidance has been offered regarding the projection method, although no consensus has been reached on the exact approach.

Contextual Notes

There was a modification in the problem statement that changed the vector space from P2 to P1, which may affect the approach to finding the minimum polynomial. Participants are navigating this change and its implications for the solution.

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Homework Statement



Let P2 be the vector space of real polynomials of degree less or equal than 2. Define the (nonlinear) function E : P2 to R as

E(p)=integral from 0 to 1 of ((2/pi)*cos((pi*x)/2)-p(x))^2 dx

where p=p(x) is a polynomial in P2. Find the point of minimun for E, i.e. find the polynomial q exists in P2 such that

E(q) is less than or equal to E(p) for all p exists in P2

TIP: Try to understand it geometrically (i.e. make a sketch with lines and points in R^2). Compare with the following: in the usual linear systems, how do you minimize |Ax - b| when b is not in R(A)?

P_1 is like Ax, and cos... is like a vector b outside the range of A, you cannot solve the equation, but you can minimize the distance between Ax and b. the way of doing this is with an orthogonal projection.

Homework Equations



-Both cos(x) and q(x) belong to the vector space C([0; 1]) of continuous functions on the interval [0; 1].

-The mapping (u, v) to the integral between 0 and one of (u(x)v(x)) dx defines a scalar product on C([0; 1]).

-The squared length of a vector u according to this scalar product would be
tha magnitude of u squared = (u, u) = the integral between 0 and one of (u(x))^2 dx

The Attempt at a Solution



Process:
-find a basis for P1 on the interval [0,1]
-use Gram-Schmid procedure to make this basis orthonormal
-compute the orthogonal projection of f=2/pi*cos(pi*x/2) on P_1, using the orthonormal basis and the scalar product
-minimize the integral with the information found above

Basis for P1 ( a subset of the vector space P(containing all polynomials)):
P1 = a+bx
Basis of P1 is [1,x]

GramSchmit:
orthogonal basis: [1, x - (<x,1>/<1,1>)*1] = [1,x-1/2]
normalized: [1,(1/12)(x-1/2)]

Projection:
if you have a space W spanned by an orthogonal set {x, y} and you want to project a vector v on it orthogonally, then you just compute the sum <v, x> x + <v, y> y so...
if v = 2/pi*cos(pi*x/2) and {x,y} = [1,(1/12)(x-1/2)] then:
<2/pi*cos(pi*x/2), 1> * 1 + < 2/pi*cos(pi*x/2), (1/12)*(x-1/2)> * (1/12)(x-1/2)
-> (4/pi^2) + (pi-4)/(6pi^3)
 
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haven't checked your working, however your reasoning is sound

one point though, shouldn't you find an orthonormal basis for P2 to complete the problem, this amounts to finding one more coeffienct for the extra basis vector?
 
also you should probably define what you inner product is (though its reasonably obvious)
 
Here sorry the question was modified and i forgot to change it...

Let P1 be the vector space of real polynomials of degree less or equal than 1. Defne the (nonlinear) function E : P1 -> R as
E(p) = blah
(where p = p(x) is a polynomial in P1). Find the point of minimum for E, i.e., find the polynomial q exists in P1 such that
E(q) <= E(p) for all p exists in P1.

thats why i only defined p1
 
But I am not sure how to find the minimum for E
 
E will be minimised when p(x) is the projection of f(x) = (2/pi)*cos((pi*x)/2) onto P2, to show this consider experessing f(x) as an infinite sum of polynomials in Pinf, and look at the orthogonlity of the basis vectors
 

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