What is the moment of inertia of a sphere and how is it derived?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the moment of inertia of a sphere, specifically addressing both solid and hollow spheres, and the derivation methods used to calculate it. Participants explore various aspects including the axes of rotation, potential errors in derivations, and specific calculations related to the moment of inertia.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention the moment of inertia for solid and hollow spheres but express uncertainty about the axis of rotation used in a teacher's derivation, which resulted in a moment of inertia of 3/5 MR².
  • One participant suggests using Steiner's law (parallel axis theorem) to clarify the situation but expresses doubt about the correctness of the teacher's derivation.
  • There are repeated inquiries about the specific derivation process and whether it was done correctly, with some participants indicating a belief that there may have been a mistake.
  • One participant clarifies that the teacher meant the moment of inertia about the center of the sphere, while another questions the physical relevance of this result.
  • Several participants discuss calculating the moment of inertia for a sphere cut in half by the xoy plane, with questions about the implications of zero moment of inertia about certain axes.
  • A participant presents a mathematical approach to calculating the moment of inertia of a homogeneous sphere, detailing the use of spherical coordinates and integrals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the correctness of the teacher's derivation and the physical meaning of the moment of inertia calculated. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the derivation or the implications of the results discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the derivations, the definitions of axes, and the physical interpretations of the moment of inertia in different contexts.

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I know the moment of inertia for both a solid sphere and a hollow sphere is , but my teacher has derived a moment of inertia of the sphere but am not sure about what axis she was deriving it , and she got this answer 3/5 MR^2
 
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Za Kh said:
I know the moment of inertia for both a solid sphere and a hollow sphere is , but my teacher has derived a moment of inertia of the sphere but am not sure about what axis she was deriving it , and she got this answer 3/5 MR^2
I also think that there must be a mistake in her derivation. Do you have it? Do you agree with all the steps?
 
Replusz said:
Was she doing this?
http://imgur.com/dc0ZTvG
Oh! It is clearly wrong. I hope a teacher did not do that in a class!
 
I want to show you the paper on my notebook but I don't know how to send a pic here
 
Now I understand , it has turned out that she meant the moment of inertia of the center of sphere and I thought it were the moment of an axis passing through the center , just because she hasn't specified clearly what she meant , thank you everyone :)
 
How could we calculate the moment of inertia of a sphere , cut into half by the xoy plane ,, its supposed that moment of ineria about the xy and zy axes is zero , i want to know why
 
Za Kh said:
Now I understand , it has turned out that she meant the moment of inertia of the center of sphere and I thought it were the moment of an axis passing through the center , just because she hasn't specified clearly what she meant , thank you everyone :)
But what does that mean exactly? There is no way to make a sphere rotate in such a way that it will have that moment of inertia, so it is actually a completely unphysical result. That's why it is never quoted as a moment of inertia of a sphere.
 
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Za Kh said:
How could we calculate the moment of inertia of a sphere , cut into half by the xoy plane
Do you mean a hemisphere? Solid or hollow?
 
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Za Kh said:
How could we calculate the moment of inertia of a sphere , cut into half by the xoy plane ,, its supposed that moment of ineria about the xy and zy axes is zero , i want to know why
The "xy" axis is a synonym for an axis in the z direction? So if the moment of inertia about this axis is zero, every point within the sphere must be somewhere on the z axis.

The "zy" axis is a synonym for an axis in the x direction? So if the moment of inertia about this axis is zero, every point within the sphere must be somewhere on the x axis.

It follows that every point within the sphere must be at the intersection of the x and z axes. i.e. at the origin. Well, yeah, that moment of inertia is fairly easy to calculate.
 
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I haven't sensed a physical meaning to it yet in my head , but there's a formula that states tge summation of moments of inertia wrt x-axis ,y axis and z axis , respectively is equal to two times the moment of inertia at the origin . I think so .. Unfortunately i don't have enough time to understand this lesson we've taken lately , my exam is after tomorrow , but am sure that she wrote this title "moment of inertia w.r.t a point"
 
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cnh1995 said:
Do you mean a hemisphere? Solid or hollow?
A solid sphere
 
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jbriggs444 said:
The "xy" axis is a synonym for an axis in the z direction? So if the moment of inertia about this axis is zero, every point within the sphere must be somewhere on the z axis.

The "zy" axis is a synonym for an axis in the x direction? So if the moment of inertia about this axis is zero, every point within the sphere must be somewhere on the x axis.

It follows that every point within the sphere must be at the intersection of the x and z axes. i.e. at the origin. Well, yeah, that moment of inertia is fairly easy to calculate.
They are not given zero to us , they should be proved by calculation , but am not knowing how
 
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Why so complicated? I guess we assume a homogeneous sphere of density ##\rho=3m/(4 \pi R^3)##. The rotation axis is through the center (all other cases can be evaluated with Steiner's law). Take spherical coordinates and the rotation axis around the polar axis. Then we have
$$\Theta=\rho \int_0^{2 \pi} \mathrm{d} \varphi \int_0^{\pi} \mathrm{d} \vartheta \int_0^{R} \mathrm{d} r r^2 \sin \vartheta r^2 \sin^2 \vartheta = 2 \pi \rho \frac{R^5}{5} \int_{-1}^1 \mathrm{d} u (1-u^2) = \frac{8\pi }{15} \rho R^5=\frac{2}{5} m R^2.$$
In the last step, I've substituted ##u=\cos \vartheta##, ##\mathrm{d} u =\mathrm{d} \vartheta \sin \vartheta##, ##\sin^2 \vartheta=1-u^2##.
 

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