What Is the Net Electric Force and Field on Charge 1?

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The discussion revolves around determining the net electric force and electric field acting on charge 1, involving concepts from electrostatics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts calculations for both the net force and electric field, referencing symmetry and using specific equations. Some participants question the notation and approach used for calculating the electric field, suggesting a reevaluation based on the definition of electric field strength.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback on the force calculation while raising concerns about the electric field evaluation. There is a focus on clarifying the relationship between electric force and electric field direction, particularly in relation to the charge's sign.

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There are discussions regarding the assumptions made about the electric field at the location of charge 1 and the implications of charge polarity on the direction of the electric field.

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Homework Statement


A) Determine the net force on charge 1.
B) What is the net electric field acting on charge 1?



Homework Equations


Fnet
Enet

The Attempt at a Solution



Let North and East be positive.

Because of symmetry, F21 = F31

F2 = F3

F2 = (9.0x109)(2.0x10-5(3.0x10-5) / (2.0m)2

F2 = 1.35N

Fnet = √1.35N2 + 1.35N2

Fnet = 1.909N

Fnet = 2N

For the angle of the electric force:

tan-1 = 2/2

= 45º

therefore the net electric force on charge 1 is 2N [N 45º E].B) Enet

Let right and up be positive.

Because of symmetry,

r = √22 + 22

= 2√2

Enet = 2E1cos45º

Enet = 2(kq1 / r2 cos45º

Enet = 2(9.0x109)(3.0x10-5) / (2√2)2 cos45º

Enet = 47729.7 N/C

Enet = 4.7 x104 N/C

Any input is appreciated as I still am not completely confident that I am doing these questions right. Thanks​
 

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The force calculation part is correct but I don't get what you have done with the electric field. I think there is a problem with your notation, electric field ##\vec{E_{1}}## due to ##q_{1}## at the location where ##q_{1}## is located will be infinite, you don't have to consider charge ##q_{0}## in the evaluation of electric field at that location. The electric fields of ##q_{2}## and ##q_{3}## will add according to superposition principle. Use the definition of electric field , ##\vec{E} = \Sigma\vec{F}/q_{0}## , to calculate electric field at the location of ##q_{1}##.
 
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chef99 said:
B) Enet

Let right and up be positive.

Because of symmetry,

r = √22 + 22

= 2√2

Enet = 2E1cos45º
Recall the definition of the electric field strength: it is the electric force acting on unit positive charge.
You need the electric field at the position of charge 1, which is simply the electric force acting on the charge 1 divided by q1. E=F/q1.
 
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ehild said:
Recall the definition of the electric field strength: it is the electric force acting on unit positive charge.
You need the electric field at the position of charge 1, which is simply the electric force acting on the charge 1 divided by q1. E=F/q1.
So

Enet= F/q1

= 2N/C/ 2.0x105

=100000

The net electric field acting on charge 1 is

1.0x105N/C
 
chef99 said:
So

Enet= F/q1

= 2N/C/ 2.0x105

=100000

The net electric field acting on charge 1 is

1.0x105N/C
OK, but what is the direction of the net electric field?
 
ehild said:
OK, but what is the direction of the net electric field?

would I state: The net electric field acting on charge 1 is 1.0 x105N/C [N 45º E] --as I have already determined the direction of the electric force or would I have to calculate it differently for the electric field? i.e. is the direction of the electric field the same as the electric force?
 
chef99 said:
would I state: The net electric field acting on charge 1 is 1.0 x105N/C [N 45º E] --as I have already determined the direction of the electric force or would I have to calculate it differently for the electric field? i.e. is the direction of the electric field the same as the electric force?
Yes, as the charge q1 is positive. If it was negative the direction of the electric field would be opposite to the force.
 
ehild said:
Yes, as the charge q1 is positive. If it was negative the direction of the electric field would be opposite to the force.
Thanks
 

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