What Is the Net Gravitational Force on One Mass in a Square Configuration?

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The problem involves calculating the net gravitational force on one mass in a square configuration of four identical masses, each weighing 800 kg, placed at the corners of a square with a side length of 10.0 cm. The original poster attempts to derive the net force based on gravitational interactions between the masses.

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  • Participants discuss the vector nature of gravitational forces, noting that the net force is the vector sum of the individual forces acting on the mass in question. There is an emphasis on the need to consider direction and cancellation of forces.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the importance of vector addition and the concept of superposition in gravitational forces. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem without reaching a consensus on the solution.

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There is a mention of the proper answer being 8.2 x 10^-3 N, but the original poster indicates that their calculations do not align with this result. The discussion reflects on the assumptions made in the calculations and the need for clarity in the vector components of the forces involved.

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Here's the question.

"Four identical masses of 800 kg each are placed at the corners of a square whose side length is 10.0 cm. What is the net gravitational force on one of the masses due to the other three?"

for convenience, I replaced mass with "M" and the distance with "d"

So, I figure that Net Force is equal to the sum of the gravitational forces between the three masses.

So if we call the force between the vertical mass and horizontal mass F1 and F2 respectively then F1=F2

Calculating out F1 gives me F= (GM^2)/(d^2)

And by Pythagorean the distance to the horizontal mass is d\sqrt{2}

so F3= (GM^2)/(2d^2)

So net force FN = 2F1+F3

or (5GM^2)/(2d^2).

However this is not the proper answer...


Proper answer is 8.2 x 10^-3 N

Can someone help me with this please? Thank you!
 
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Hi godtripp,

godtripp said:
Here's the question.

"Four identical masses of 800 kg each are placed at the corners of a square whose side length is 10.0 cm. What is the net gravitational force on one of the masses due to the other three?"

for convenience, I replaced mass with "M" and the distance with "d"

So, I figure that Net Force is equal to the sum of the gravitational forces between the three masses.

Remember that here the net force is a vector sum, so it will be the vector sum of the three individual forces.

So if we call the force between the vertical mass and horizontal mass F1 and F2 respectively then F1=F2

Their magnitudes are equal, but their directions are different.

Calculating out F1 gives me F= (GM^2)/(d^2)

And by Pythagorean the distance to the horizontal mass is d\sqrt{2}

so F3= (GM^2)/(2d^2)

So net force FN = 2F1+F3

When you perform the vector sum, there will be some cancellation occurring between F1 and F2 (so you cannot simply add the magnitudes together). Do you see what to do?

or (5GM^2)/(2d^2).

However this is not the proper answer...


Proper answer is 8.2 x 10^-3 N

Can someone help me with this please? Thank you!
 
Thank you so much for your reply. I totally neglected that the net force would have superposition.

Thanks again
 
godtripp said:
Thank you so much for your reply. I totally neglected that the net force would have superposition.

Thanks again

Sure, glad to help!
 

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