What is the Principal Argument of -i in Polar Form?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around expressing the complex number -i in polar form, specifically focusing on determining its principal argument. Participants are exploring the relationship between the complex number's position on the Argand diagram and the calculation of its argument.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the modulus and the argument of -i, questioning the implications of the argument's definition and its principal value. There is confusion regarding the quadrant and how to correctly identify the angle associated with -i.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on visualizing the complex number on the Argand diagram and considering the principal argument's range. However, there remains uncertainty about the definitions and calculations, with multiple interpretations of the principal argument being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention discrepancies in answers related to the principal argument, with some values falling outside the expected range of -π to π. This raises questions about the definitions being used and the method of measuring angles in relation to the positive real axis.

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Homework Statement



Express -i in polar form, using the principal value of the argument.

Homework Equations



modulus = \sqrt{a^2 + b^2}

\theta = arg(0 - i)

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, the complex number is 0 -i. a = 0, b = -1 so:

r = \sqrt{0^2 + (-1)^2} which comes out to be 1.

But for the argument, \theta comes out to be:

\tan\theta = \frac{-1}{0}

Ummm...where do we go from here?! Also, err, what IS the principal argument of the argument? I mean, it seems to be that the value of \theta changes depending not where on the CAST diagram it is, but on where in the Argand diagram the complex number turns out to be...but, err, not always. Like, if it lies in the fourth quadrant, you don't do 360 - \theta...
 
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The argument of a complex number x+iy is only tan(y/x) if neither x nor y is zero.

You can find the argument of -i by simply considering the argand diagram. Where does -i lie on the argand diagram? When you plot this, it should be obvious what the argument is. Note that the principal argument, is a value between -pi and pi. (or -180 and 180 degees)
 
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Thanks for this. The exercises I have been doing on complex numbers have all asked for the principal argument, and some of the answers are not between \pi and -\pi, such as 239.04 degrees.

Okay, err, I've plotted -i on the argand diagram...-i is at "-1"...I'm really not getting it here...
 
jernobyl said:
Thanks for this. The exercises I have been doing on complex numbers have all asked for the principal argument, and some of the answers are not between \pi and -\pi, such as 239.04 degrees.
you may have a different definition of the principal argument then; although i thought it was always between pi and -pi

Okay, err, I've plotted -i on the argand diagram...-i is at "-1"...I'm really not getting it here...
It's at -1 on the imaginary axis. Now, what is the angle between the positive real axis and the negative imaginary axis? This will give you the argument.
 
Some alternatives are
 
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its 1 e^ {-I * Pi/2} ?
 
rsnd said:
its 1 e^ {-I * Pi/2} ?

:rolleyes: ... please don't simply give out answers to homework questions.
 
Ah, thanks for that. I'm confused but I kinda understand the answer...
 
Since you say some, at least of the answers are in degrees, between 0 and 360 degrees, start at the positive real axis and measure the angle counterclockwise to the negative y-axis. You should see that the angle is a multiple of 90 degrees.
 
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Yeah, thanks. I'm just not sure, like...one of the answers to one of the questions was -7.15 degrees...and how can that be, if you're meant to measure it counterclockwise from the positive real axis? Sigh.
 

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