What is the Probability of Getting an Ace in a Standard Deck of Cards?

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities related to card distribution in a standard deck among four players, specifically focusing on the likelihood of each player receiving an ace and the probability of one player receiving all spades.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating probabilities, questioning the validity of initial expressions and discussing the total number of possible card distributions. Some participants suggest alternative approaches to the problem, while others express confusion about the setup and calculations involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of probabilities, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly in how the probabilities are framed and calculated. Participants are also grappling with the complexity of determining the total number of ways to deal the cards.

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Homework Statement


1. All 52 cards of a standard deck of cards are divided equally among 4 players.
(a) What is the probability that each player gets an ace?
(b) And that one player get all the spades?


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part (a) http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f8/19068d1285520980-probabilititty-1a.gif

part (b) 1/(52 choose 13)
 
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Could you elucidate on how you got your expression for part a? It's clearly wrong, as it evaluates to about 10^-18. I mean, deal out a few bridge hands with a deck of cards and you'll get a hand where everyone has an ace.

Now the way the question for part b reads to me is "what's the probability that everyone will get an ace AND someone will get all the spades?" If it's just asking a different question, "what is the probability that someone will get dealt all the spades?" your answer is close to right, but remember that there are 4 people who could possibly get all the spades.
 


for part (a) i figured the bottom would be all possible ways to deal out the cards. and the top, 4 choose 1 ways for the first guy to get an ace and then 48 choose 12 ways to get ...wait a minute here now..

Ok, I think I meant to put (4 choose 1)(51 choose 12) +(3 choose 1)(48 choose... etc for the numerator. But it turns out that is still really small.

OK, well there must be something wrong with my denominator. I'm really unsure of how to calculate the total number of possible ways to deal out the cards.
 


Here's a straightforward method. Somebody gets the first ace, always. Now figure out the probability that a different guy gets the next ace. Then do it again. And again. Now multiply all those numbers together.

Figuring out how many possible deals there are is kind of overkill. (It's (52 13)*(39 13)*(26 13) by the way).

EDIT: Oh, I looked back at your work. You did do the denominator right. Multiply your numerator things together instead of adding them.
 

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