What is the real power behind the rush to fill in complete emptyness

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vacuum and pressure in the atmosphere, particularly questioning why areas of low density do not persist and how atmospheric pressure affects objects like a squashed bottle. Participants explore the nature of vacuum, pressure dynamics, and the behavior of gases in response to changes in volume.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the phenomenon of vacuum creation in the atmosphere and why it seems to be filled continuously, suggesting an endless power to fill such gaps.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the original question, indicating a need for clearer articulation of the concepts being discussed.
  • A different participant interprets the original post as inquiring why pockets of near-empty space do not randomly occur, attributing this to the random motion of molecules and the high density of atmospheric gases.
  • One participant uses the analogy of a squashed rubber bottle to illustrate the concept of pressure and volume, questioning why the bottle cannot return to its original shape without air being sucked in.
  • Another participant explains that the bottle cannot return to its original shape without air because the external atmospheric pressure prevents it from expanding back to its original volume.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the forces acting on the bottle, emphasizing the significant pressure exerted on its surface and how this affects its ability to regain shape.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the original question, with some expressing confusion and others attempting to clarify the concepts involved. Multiple interpretations of the question and the underlying physics remain present.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about atmospheric behavior and pressure dynamics are not explicitly stated, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the nature of vacuum and the conditions under which it can exist.

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is there something going on when i vacuum is crated from nothing at all in the atmospher? i mean why such a big rush to fill in that gap which it seems like the power to fill it in is endless and will always happen . if something can't be replaced then that something can't be removed

as usual i have struggled to explain myself properly Thank for any comments
 
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I agree that you have struggled to express yourself properly. I have no idea what you are asking.
 
You're too vague with your description. Can you flesh out your question a little more?

What do you mean by "...when i vacuum is crated from nothing at all in the atmospher..."
When does this happen?
 
My guess is the original post is asking why pockets of near empty space don't randomly occur in the atmosphere. It's because the molecules are bouncing in essentially random directions, combined with a huge number of molecules per amount of volume in the atmosphere (except for the outer fringes). Even if there's an instant where there is a partial reduction in density in a zone, it's quickly filled by the surrounding molecules in the atmosphere.

On a large scale, due to weather effects, there are higher and lower pressure areas within the atomosphere.
 
well i just mean like . if you have a rubber bottle squash it and tighten a top onto it then it can't get back to its normal shape without sucking in air . i was just wondering why can't it just leave nothing at all inside and just spring back to its shape

thanks for the answers.
 
Because with that you are lowering the volume of the bottle and squishing the air out. When you close the bottle, the air inside and the air outside have the same pressure, atmospheric pressure (because of the rigidity of the bottle there might be some pressure difference but we will look a situation like its a balloon or something). In order for the bottle to get back to its original shape it needs to increase its volume, but there is only that much air so to do that the pressure inside must drop and the outside pressure don't allow that, it is pressing on the bottle.
 
littlebanger said:
well i just mean like . if you have a rubber bottle squash it and tighten a top onto it then it can't get back to its normal shape without sucking in air . i was just wondering why can't it just leave nothing at all inside and just spring back to its shape

thanks for the answers.

Simply put: the bottle is being acted on by a force. Over every square inch of the bottle's surface, there is a pressure of 14.7 pounds pushing inward. Let's say an average bottle has a surface of 50in^2; it is being crushed by a force of 735lbs.! Is that enoough to keep the bottle squished?
 

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