What is the relationship between fields and particles

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Higgs Field and the Higgs boson, exploring the nature of fields and particles in the context of particle physics. Participants are attempting to clarify concepts related to the Higgs discovery, including the persistence of the Higgs Field despite the rapid decay of the Higgs boson.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how the omnipresent Higgs Field can exist if the Higgs boson decays rapidly.
  • Another participant uses a metaphor involving office chairs and basketballs to illustrate the interaction of particles as force mediators, suggesting that the Higgs boson is a transient perturbation in the Higgs Field.
  • A different analogy compares the Higgs Field to a sea without waves, where the Higgs boson represents a wave created in this field.
  • One participant proposes that the field is an auxiliary concept, arguing that particles may be more fundamental than fields, and that quantum states evolve over time according to quantum field theory.
  • A reference is made to John Ellis at CERN for an explanation of the Higgs boson and its relationship with the Higgs Field.
  • Another participant expresses concern about the potential emergence of Aetheric theories in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the fundamental nature of fields versus particles, with no consensus reached on whether particles or fields are more fundamental. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the Higgs Field's omnipresence and the nature of the Higgs boson.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the limitations of their metaphors and the complexity of the underlying mathematics required for a complete understanding of the concepts discussed.

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Just trying to get my head around the very basics of the Higgs discovery.

Could someone describe the relationship between the Higgs Field and the Higgs boson. A confusing point for a layman like myself is that if the particle decays so rapidly, how is it that there is an omnipresent Higgs Field that doesn't 'decay' so to speak.

Apologize in advance if this is a silly question.
 
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The common metaphore for picturing particles as force-mediators is to imagine you and a mate sitting on well oiled office chairs - the kind with wheels - on a smooth surface. You each have some basket balls.

If you chuck a ball at your friend and they catch it, you and your friend end up moving away from each other ... a repulsive force. But if you pass close enough for you to pass the ball over, the short time you are both holding on makes you rotate about each other: an attractive force.

how is it that there is an omnipresent Higgs Field that doesn't 'decay' so to speak
You can have a wide field of short-lived particles if there are a lot of them all over the place. However - the HIggs Boson is a short-lived purturbation in the field. You may as well ask how you can have an ocean-wide load of water when the waves that make it up are transient... though deeper: it's similar to wave-particle duality and the argument about locality.

Here's another analogy ... none of these will be complete you realize: they are just metaphors. To understand this properly you have to get into the math.
 
Another metaphor: The omnipresent Higgs field is like a sea without waves. The LHC machine created a wave in the Higgs sea, and that wave is the Higgs particle.
 
I think the field is an auxiliary concept (I'm not an expert, so I'm not that sure)
What you do have physically are states (quantum state) that correspond to the actual physical situations, for example you could have a state that corresponds to two higgs particles and an electron running around,, we have theories that tell us how these states evolve over time (that's where quantum FIELD theory is useful). states with higgs particles rapidly evolve into states with other lighter particles or they tend to go to the ground state which i think corresponds to the sea without waves analogy.

I think this is the view that takes particles as more fundamental than fields (waves) you only need to describe what the particles are doing and the field is auxiliary (again not an expert :).
 
John Ellis at CERN explains What is the Higgs boson in which the field and the relationship of the particle are explained.
 
Oh dear ... I can hear the Aetheric theorists approaching...
 

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