What is the Relationship Between Gas Ionisation and Temperature?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between gas ionization and temperature, specifically how the number densities of neutral atoms, ions, and electrons relate to ionization energy and temperature in a gas enclosed in a box. The original poster presents several equations to consider and seeks guidance on applying concepts related to the Maxwell distribution and average volume occupied by particles.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of different equations regarding the relationship between number densities and temperature. Some question the physical validity of certain options based on their behavior with temperature changes. Others discuss the interpretation of number densities and their relation to volume.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively analyzing the provided options, with some ruling out specific equations based on logical reasoning. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions regarding the definitions of number densities and their implications. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and reasoning without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the physical meaning behind the equations and the implications of temperature changes on the ionization process. There is a recognition of the need to clarify definitions and assumptions related to number densities and volume.

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Homework Statement


When a gas is enclosed in an impermeable box and heated to a high temperature T, some of the neutral atoms lose an electron and become ions. If the number density of neutral atoms, ions and electrons is Na , N i and N e , respectively, these can be related to the average volume V a occupied by an atom/ion and the ionisation energy E by the relation

2. Options
(a) N e (N a + N i ) = (N a /V a ) exp (−E/k B T )
(b) N a (N e + N i ) = (N a /V a ) exp (−E/k B T )
(c) N e N i = (N a /V a ) exp (+E/k B T )
(d) N e N i = (N a /V a ) exp (−E/k B T )

The Attempt at a Solution


The Maxwell distribution is Ne=Ngexp(-E/kBT). Where Ng and Ne are number of atoms in ground state and exited state respectively, E is the energy difference between the states. I don't know how to apply this concept here and how the average volume occupied by atom, Va enters the equation.

Please give me hints to solve this problem.

Problem Reference: TIFR GS 2012 Physical Sciences Question Paper.
 
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I have no idea how to derive any such equations, but I believe can see reasons for ruling out three of them.
Can you rule out some?
 
Thank you for the reply, haruspex.

haruspex said:
Can you rule out some?

I can rule out one of them. Namely option (c). N e N i = (N a /V a ) exp (+E/k B T )
Because then the product NiNe decreases with increase in temperature, which is not physical.

Please tell me the other two.
 
niranjan_learner said:
Thank you for the reply, haruspex.
I can rule out one of them. Namely option (c). N e N i = (N a /V a ) exp (+E/k B T )
Because then the product NiNe decreases with increase in temperature, which is not physical.

Please tell me the other two.
The N values are densities, i.e. Number per Va. I find it easier to think about if I convert back to actual numbers by multiplying each equation by Va2. If we write Mx=NxVa, x=a,i,e, it gets rid of the Va factor.
Now consider that the exp(-...) term is < 1. Does that seem inconsistent with what the Ms are saying?
 
Hey, I have objection on this statement:
haruspex said:
The N values are densities, i.e. Number per Va.

N values are densities, number per unit volume. Now in my opinion, Mx=NxVa will indicate fraction of unit volume occupied by the particular species which has to be less than 1.

Did I miss something?
 
niranjan_learner said:
Hey, I have objection on this statement:N values are densities, number per unit volume. Now in my opinion, Mx=NxVa will indicate fraction of unit volume occupied by the particular species which has to be less than 1.

Did I miss something?
You're right, I should have written (Na+Ni+Ne)Va=1.
So that blows that idea away.
However, I think we can rule out (b) on the basis that the Nas can be cancelled.
 
haruspex said:
You're right, I should have written (Na+Ni+Ne)Va=1.
So that blows that idea away.
However, I think we can rule out (b) on the basis that the Nas can be cancelled.

Yes. That is a good exam strategy!

The correct answer given in the answer key is option (d).
 
niranjan_learner said:
Yes. That is a good exam strategy!

The correct answer given in the answer key is option (d).
That would have been my guess.
 
haruspex said:
That would have been my guess.

I see :smile:
 

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