What is the relationship between mass and energy for massless particles?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between mass and energy, particularly in the context of massless particles such as gravitons and photons. Participants explore the implications of masslessness on energy and clarify the equations that govern these relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether massless particles, like the graviton, have energy if they have no mass, referencing the equation E=mc².
  • Another participant clarifies that massless particles do not have rest energy but do possess energy, as they always travel at the speed of light.
  • A further explanation is provided that E=mc² is a special case for massive particles at rest, while the more general equation for energy is E = √(c²p² + m²c⁴), which simplifies to E = cp for massless particles.
  • One participant humorously relates their understanding of massless particles to their own perceived lack of energy when stationary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that massless particles have energy despite having no mass, but there is no consensus on the clarity of the explanations provided, as some participants express confusion regarding the technical details.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying levels of understanding among participants, with some expressing difficulty in grasping the mathematical formulations related to massless particles and energy.

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I've recently bean reading a book about string theory (thats not important though) and I came across something that someone here may be able to help me with, I'd really appreciate it, its been bugging me for days.

I may have misinterpreted, so if I have please correct me. In a general introduction the book described the relationship between mass and energy as described by E=Mc2. It also talked about sub-atomic particles, among which there was a small passage on the Graviton (and the lack thereof). It said that it theretically has no mass. If this is so does it also mean that it has no energy? I'm probably totally wrong and will be summarily chastised for my ridiculous question, but I would be eternally greatful if someone could explain this to me. Also if you could do it as if you were talking to a rather stupid child I would appreciate it.

Thanks for any clarification that can be given.
 
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Massless particles--a photon is another example--have no rest energy. They certainly have energy. (These massless particles are also never at rest--they all travel at the speed of light.)
 
Kap160 said:
I've recently bean reading a book about string theory (thats not important though) and I came across something that someone here may be able to help me with, I'd really appreciate it, its been bugging me for days.

I may have misinterpreted, so if I have please correct me. In a general introduction the book described the relationship between mass and energy as described by E=Mc2. It also talked about sub-atomic particles, among which there was a small passage on the Graviton (and the lack thereof). It said that it theretically has no mass. If this is so does it also mean that it has no energy? I'm probably totally wrong and will be summarily chastised for my ridiculous question, but I would be eternally greatful if someone could explain this to me. Also if you could do it as if you were talking to a rather stupid child I would appreciate it.

Thanks for any clarification that can be given.


This is a frequent question. The problem is that E = mc^2 is a special case applicable only to massive particle (and when those particles are at rest). The real equation is [itex]E = \sqrt{c^2 \vec{p}^2 + m^2 c^4}[/itex]. For a massless particle, this reduces to [itex]E = c p[/itex] (where p here is the magnitude of the three-momentum).
 
Doc Al said:
Massless particles--a photon is another example--have no rest energy. They certainly have energy. (These massless particles are also never at rest--they all travel at the speed of light.)
Thank you, you have saved an idiot from himself. They are bit like me, when they are moving they have enormous energy but when stationary they simply can't be bothered to get up and put the kettle on.

nrqed said:
This is a frequent question. The problem is that E = mc^2 is a special case applicable only to massive particle (and when those particles are at rest). The real equation is [itex]E = \sqrt{c^2 \vec{p}^2 + m^2 c^4}[/itex]. For a massless particle, this reduces to [itex]E = c p[/itex] (where p here is the magnitude of the three-momentum).
Ah... that was slighty above my level of enforced stupidity, although I appreciate the effort...

My thanks to both, I am eternally grateful.
 

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