What is the relationship between matter and spacetime curvature?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between matter and spacetime curvature, addressing questions related to mass gain of black bodies, the nature of spacetime in relation to matter, and the effects of energy states on mass. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a perfect black body may gain mass depending on the energy density of its environment, while others argue it may lose mass by radiating energy.
  • There is uncertainty regarding whether matter implodes local spacetime or if spacetime curves around matter, with some participants indicating that the question may stem from an interpretation issue and that the governing equations do not provide a definitive answer.
  • Some participants propose that increasing the localized energy of a particle can increase its mass, while others clarify that increasing the speed of a free particle does not increase its rest mass but may affect its relativistic mass.
  • One participant offers a perspective that spacetime curvature is linked directly to the center of mass bodies and describes a personal interpretation of experiencing spacetime curvature in freefall.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of spacetime and its relationship with matter, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

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Some questions raised lack precise definitions, which may limit the ability to provide clear answers. The discussion also highlights the complexity of interpreting concepts related to spacetime and mass.

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I have a few questions and I hope they can be answered here.

1. Does a perfect black body gain mass?

2. Does matter implode local space-time or does space-time curve around matter or are both of these assumptions wrong? If wrong what process happens?

3. Does increasing the energy state of a particle also increase its mass?
 
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Philos said:
1. Does a perfect black body gain mass?
It depends on the radiation in its environment.

Philos said:
2. Does matter implode local space-time or does space-time curve around matter or are both of these assumptions wrong? If wrong what process happens?
There's no way to answer this unless it's phrased in more exact language.

Philos said:
3. Does increasing the energy state of a particle also increase its mass?
This depends on your precise definition of mass.

Your questions aren't sufficiently well defined to be answerable. If you tell us your background in math and physics, we might be able to help you get unstuck from the stage where you're currently stuck: not succeeding in formulating good questions.
 
Philos said:
1. Does a perfect black body gain mass?
If the energy density in its surrounding environment is less than the power it radiates, yes. Otherwise no, it will radiate energy and lose mass.

Philos said:
2. Does matter implode local space-time or does space-time curve around matter or are both of these assumptions wrong? If wrong what process happens?
I'm not really sure what your asking but it sounds like an interpretation issue. If your asking what I think your asking, nobody knows. Its like asking how a charge generates E&M fields, or if the E&M fields are what generate charges. The equations governing the theory don't specify and there is no way to really know (unless the theory is wrong).

Philos said:
3. Does increasing the energy state of a particle also increase its mass?
If its localized energy yes. For example, exciting an electron in an atom will increase the mass of the atom. However, kicking a free electron to speed it up will not increase its rest mass (it will increase its relativistic mass but I don't like using that term)
 
Philos said:
I have a few questions and I hope they can be answered here.

1. Does a perfect black body gain mass?

2. Does matter implode local space-time or does space-time curve around matter or are both of these assumptions wrong? If wrong what process happens?

3. Does increasing the energy state of a particle also increase its mass?

I'm responding to #2. If spacetime curvature is imagined as lines of force, they do NOT curve around matter, but rather link directly to/from the center of each and every mass body in the universe (from quanta to planets and suns). The "curving" aspect comes from the interaction of all those local lines from each mass. The Earth has its spacetime "curvature" and I have mine. In freefall, I would feel wightless as I rushed toward Earth (and she nudged toward me). When I got to the surface, I would suddenly "feel" the force of that Earth's spacetime curvature because Earth's surface would stop my natural motion before I reached her CENTER of gravity.

Or that's my take on it.
 

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