What is the relationship between period and mass in a simple pendulum?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the period of a simple pendulum and its mass, length, and gravitational acceleration. Participants are exploring how to use dimensional analysis to derive this relationship.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the dimensional analysis process and how to express the dimensions of gravitational acceleration. There is a focus on substituting variables and equating indices to find the relationship between the period and other quantities.

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Some participants have provided insights into the dimensions of gravitational acceleration and have shared resources for further understanding. There is an ongoing exploration of how to set up the dimensional analysis correctly, with no clear consensus yet on the final relationship.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the problem requires them to derive a relationship without using specific numerical values, focusing instead on the dimensional analysis approach.

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1. A simple pendulum consists of a light inextensible string AB with length L, with the end A fixed, and a perticle of mass M attatched to B. The pendulum oscillates with period T.

It is suggested that T is proportional to the product of powers of M, L and g. Use dimensional analysis to find this relationship.



2. T = K (l/g)1/2



3. ?? Dont know where to start on this one. some sort of substitution to find the variables, but i don't know how.
 
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also, i am presuming that little g is the surface gravity, ie, 9.81. I think that's what that represents, but i better check that out first.
 
Yes, g stands for the acceleration due to gravity. What are its dimension?
 
g is in N/Kg i think? is that what you mean by its dimension?
 
Those are units. By dimensions I mean something independent of particular units. The fundamental dimensions are length (L), mass (M), and time (T). So, how would you express the dimension of g in terms of these quantities?

Here's a wiki page that might help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis"
 
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Doc Al said:
Here's a wiki page that might help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensional_analysis"

Yep, sure did help, they pretty much has this exact question as an example on that page;

What is the period of oscillation T of a mass m attached to an ideal linear spring with spring constant k suspended in gravity of strength g? The four quantities have the following dimensions: T [T]; m [M]; k[M / T2]; and g[L / T2]. From these we can form only one dimensionless product of powers of our chosen variables, G1 = T2k / m. The dimensionless product of powers of variables is sometimes referred to as a dimensionless group of variables, but the group, G1, referred to means "collection" rather than mathematical group.

so, i basically substitiute dimensions, equate indices and solve.

T = kma Lb gc => T = Ma Lb (LT-2)c

a = 0

-2c = 1 => c = 0.5

b + c = 0 => b = 0.5,

...so T = K (L/G)1/2

I think that's right, cheers. :smile:
 
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