What is the role of friction between objects?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of friction between objects, particularly in scenarios involving static and moving bodies on rough surfaces. Participants explore how friction affects motion, momentum transfer, and energy transformation in various contexts, including theoretical and practical examples.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a static body on rough ground does not experience friction until it begins to move, while others clarify that stationary bodies can experience frictional forces when external forces act upon them.
  • There is a proposal that when two rough objects are in contact, the moving object experiences friction opposing its motion, but the effect of friction on the stationary object is debated.
  • One participant suggests that friction can transfer momentum from the moving object to the stationary one, potentially causing the latter to move or spin.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the acceleration of the stationary object depends on the resultant forces acting on it and its mass, indicating that external factors influence the outcome.
  • A practical example involving a box on a truck bed illustrates how static friction can enable the box to gain momentum as the truck accelerates, highlighting the interaction between static and kinetic friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of friction on stationary objects when in contact with moving ones. There is no consensus on whether friction will cause the stationary object to move, as opinions vary based on the context and additional forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the outcome of frictional interactions may depend on various factors, including the mass of the objects involved and the presence of other forces. The discussion does not resolve these dependencies or assumptions.

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if a body is static on horizontal rough ground it will not experience friction, but if it starts moving it will experience friction opposing its motion, this is between object and ground, but let's suppose 2 rough objects each has its coefficient of friction, suppose one of them is at rest and the other moved with its velocity tangent to the rest object (the object moving just touched the rest one and didn't collide with it), each object will experience friction due to its contact with other, the friction on the moving object will oppose its motion, but what about the friction on the rest object, will the friction make it move ?
 
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mohamed el teir said:
if a body is static on horizontal rough ground it will not experience friction, but if it starts moving it will experience friction opposing its motion, this is between object and ground, but let's suppose 2 rough objects each has its coefficient of friction, suppose one of them is at rest and the other moved with its velocity tangent to the rest object (the object moving just touched the rest one and didn't collide with it), each object will experience friction due to its contact with other, the friction on the moving object will oppose its motion, but what about the friction on the rest object, will the friction make it move ?
No, When the objects collide, the law of conservation of momentum applies. Afterwards, both objects slow down due to friction.
 
mohamed el teir said:
if a body is static on horizontal rough ground it will not experience friction
Bodies resting (that is stationary) on surfaces often experience frictional forces. For example if I push horizontally on a big box resting on the floor, friction will exert a force in the opposite direction on the box, even if the box isn't moving.

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what about the friction on the rest object, will the friction make it move ?
It depends on the other forces (if any) acting on the rest object and on the mass of the rest object. As usual, the acceleration of the rest object = resultant of forces acting on the rest object divided by mass of rest object. If the rest object is the floor (in the example I gave above) you won't notice the floor accelerating on account of the frictional force from the box, because the floor is (we hope) attached to the Earth, whose mass is rather large.
 
mohamed el teir said:
the friction on the moving object will oppose its motion, but what about the friction on the rest object, will the friction make it move ?
Yes. Friction can transfer momentum from one object to the other. It probably will also start spinning.
 
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Friction force will transfer momentum to the object at rest as it must be conserved. It will also transform kinetic energy into heat since the moving object loses energy and the object at rest almost does not increase its energy.
 
If I have a box lying still in the middle of my flatbed truck as I accelerate gently when the light turns green, it is the force of friction between the box and the bed that is responsible for the box gaining momentum.

The force of static friction acts to oppose the relative motion that the box and truck would otherwise have, were it not for the friction. It acts forward on the box and backward on the truck bed.

If I accelerate more strongly, the box may begin to slide backward.

The force of kinetic friction acts to oppose the relative motion that the box and truck actually do have. It acts forward on the box and backward on the truck bed.
 

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