What is the role of friction in Newton's Laws?

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The discussion revolves around a problem related to friction in the context of Newton's Laws. Participants are exploring the role of static and kinetic friction in determining motion, particularly in relation to forces acting on a block on an incline.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions and roles of static and kinetic friction, questioning how both may factor into the problem. There are attempts to clarify the conditions under which static friction can prevent motion, and participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and assumptions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and computations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions for motion and the correct interpretation of frictional forces. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the application of static versus kinetic friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the assumptions they can make. There is a specific focus on the conditions required for static friction to be overcome.

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Hi I am stuck with a question which I have attached a photo of, it is one involving friction! I have done a few of these questions already and find it is when I am defining forces etc it's where I go wrong, not the easy computational part:(

I also have attached my attempt at the solution and have drawn my free body diagram as clear as possible:)Any help would be great:) thanks
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I see no mistake in your attempt so far.
 
Excellent I shall continue onwards and reply shortly:)
 
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Ok I went on and done this to find the acceleration but the model answer is 3.71 m/s^2
 
In your computation you assumed that static friction will not be strong enough to prevent motion. Part (a) of the problem required you to determine whether this was the case.
 
It is not strong enough
 
It is the two fractions which are confusing me, kinetic friction is the friction between two moving bodies and static is between two non moving bodies would there be a case where both would have to come into a computation?
 
Can you demonstrate that?
 
I did not see #7 when I wrote #8. Please explain how you determined that static friction was not strong enough to prevent motion. That will help clarify what you confusion really is.
 
  • #10
So for the block to move mg sinθ must be greater than static friction?
 
  • #11
Sorry F cosθ
 
  • #12
Yes, the horizontal component of force must be greater than the maximal static friction. The maximal static friction is given by ## \mu_s N ##.
 
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  • #14
I agree with your result, but it is not correct to write ## F \cos \theta - \text{fr} = 0 ##. You should write ## F \cos \theta - \text{fr} > 0 ##.
 
  • #15
Check what value you used for μ.

I put 0.2 into your earlier equation and got 3.7 as the answer.
 
  • #16
Oh! Haha I think I've got it now lol
 

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