What is the role of hydrogen bonds in holding water molecules together?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of hydrogen bonds in the context of water molecules, specifically addressing the nature of hydrogen bonds as either intermolecular or intramolecular forces. Participants explore definitions and examples related to hydrogen bonding in water and larger molecules like proteins.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the interaction between hydrogen and oxygen in a water molecule can be classified as a hydrogen bond, suggesting that it could be both polar covalent and hydrogen bonding.
  • Another participant clarifies that hydrogen bonding typically involves interactions between hydrogen and electronegative atoms from different molecules, highlighting the difference in bond lengths between intramolecular and intermolecular forces.
  • A third participant asserts that hydrogen bonding is an intermolecular force, contrasting it with the intramolecular forces that hold hydrogen and oxygen within a single water molecule.
  • A later reply references the IUPAC Gold Book, indicating that hydrogen bonds can be classified as either intermolecular or intramolecular forces.
  • One participant provides an example involving proteins to illustrate intramolecular hydrogen bonding, emphasizing the proximity of atoms in such cases and clarifying previous statements about bond lengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the classification of hydrogen bonds in the context of water molecules, with multiple competing views on whether they should be considered intermolecular or intramolecular forces.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and examples provided, particularly regarding the distinctions between intramolecular and intermolecular forces, as well as the specific contexts in which hydrogen bonds are discussed.

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I'm a little confused on hydrogen bonds. Here's a sample question and answer I'm having trouble with:1) In a single molecule of water, two hydrogen atoms are bonded to a single oxygen atom by
A) hydrogen bonds.
B) nonpolar covalent bonds.
C) polar covalent bonds.
D) ionic bonds.
E) van der Waals interactions.
Answer: C

OK - polar covalent bonds are holding the hydrogen atoms to the oxygen atom. That I can understand.

But couldn't the interaction between the hydrogen and the oxygen also be classified as a hydrogen bond? Hydrogen bond, as I was taught in Chem, is simply the interaction between H and F, O, or N. So couldn't the answer also be A?
 
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Hydrogen bonding is the interaction of a hydrogen atom with an electronegative atom that comes from a different molecule (or functional group if you're dealing with a large molecule). There's (typically) a clear cut donor and acceptor - for example, in liquid water, the intramolecular OH bond length is one-half the typical hydrogen bond length between water molecules. But if they're both hydrogen bonding - to go with your proposed redefinition - why are they so different, then?
 
No because Hydrogen bonding is a form of intermolecular force - forces which occur between molecules. The bonding of hydrogen and oxygen in water is an example of intramolecular force - the force within a molecule.
 
Hydrogen bonds, according to the IUPAC Gold Book, can be an intramolecular force.

http://goldbook.iupac.org/H02899.html

IUPAC Gold Book said:
Hydrogen bonds may be inter-molecular or intramolecular.
 
That is what I was attempting to (imperfectly, it seems) convey - for example, if you have a very large molecule such as a protein, the amide proton of residue i can hydrogen bond to to the carbonyl oxygen of residue i-4. However, that hydrogen is going to be - on average - closer to one of the atoms than the other.

If you need further clarification, just ask. But I think the protein example is the best way to understand what is meant by an intramolecular hydrogen bond.

P.S. - When I said "intramolecular OH bond length," I was referring to the bond lengths *within* the water molecule, not the distances between hydrogen bonded atoms. Perhaps that wasn't clear - sorry about that.
 
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