What is the significance of a complex commutator?

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The discussion revolves around the significance of a complex commutator in the context of operator exponentiation, specifically examining the relationship between two operators A and B defined by their commutator [A,B] = λ, where λ is a complex number. The original poster is tasked with demonstrating an equation involving the exponential of the sum of these operators.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the problem and questions the relevance of the complex nature of λ and μ. They also ponder the significance of the exponential function in the context of the problem.
  • Some participants suggest expanding the exponentials using Taylor series and collecting terms, while others question the effectiveness of this approach and consider using the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff (BCH) formula instead.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the non-commutativity of operators and how it affects the expansion of the exponentials.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants exploring different methods and expressing differing opinions on the best approach to take. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the BCH formula, but there is no explicit consensus on the most effective method to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of operator algebra and the implications of complex numbers in this context. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the indices of the parameters involved, as well as the challenge of working with non-commuting operators.

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Homework Statement



If A and B are two operators such that
[A,B] = λ , where l is a complex number, and
if μis a second complex number, show that:
exp[μ(A + B)] = exp(μA)exp(μB)exp(- λμ^2/ 2).

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The Attempt at a Solution



I'm stuck on where to begin. I know that the result [x, p_x] = ih_bar indicates that x and p_x relate by the uncertainty principle. I'm not sure if this conclusion applies to complex commutators in general.

Also, I don't understand the significance of the exponential function. Do I lose anything by expressing that information as

μ(A+B)=(-λμ^2)/2 ?



Any ideas?

Thanks
 
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I can't figure out why the imaginaryness of λ and μ is important (at least formally). Exponentiating an operator means nothing more than the infinite power series of the exponent (Taylor series). I think that it's actually technically defined this way. So, for example:

exp(μA) = 1 + μA + (1/2)μ2A2 + (1/6)μ3A3 ...

So, just expand each exponential, multiply the r.h.s. out, and then collect terms of the same order in μ. If you can stand it, you might work all the way up to order μ4, but you will begin to see the point even at order μ2.

CAUTION: WHEN YOU EXPAND OPERATOR EXPRESSIONS, THE COMMUTATIVE LAW FOR MULTIPLICATION MAY NOT APPLY ...

Darkmisc said:
exp[μ(A + B)] = exp(μA)exp(μB)exp(- λμ^2/ 2).

Do I lose anything by expressing that information as

μ(A+B)=(-λμ^2)/2 ?
Where did you get that?
 
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oops, I messed up that expression. I meant to equate the indices.
 
Darkmisc said:
I meant to equate the indices.
There are operators A and B, and then there are parameters λ and μ; what indices?
 
Could this be done easier using BCH formula due to non-commuting? Expansion doesn't seem to get anywhere.

edit: I guess I don't mean putting it through the entire thing, just the result for exp(A +B) = exp(A)exp(B)exp([A,B]/2), but then again I'm also clueless.
 
sgnl03 said:
Could this be done easier using BCH formula ...
Sure, it would be MUCH easier using the BCH formula (almost trivial). I was assuming that the problem is an exercise to demonstrate a nontrivial exponentiation of operators, and if the point was to use the BCH formula, then they would have at least made the commutator more complicated (like proportional to A or B). Of course, this is just an assumption, and since the problem statement doesn't disallow it, BCH formula is probably the way to show something like this in practice.

sgnl03 said:
Expansion doesn't seem to get anywhere.
I don't know what you mean. Expansion must get somewhere, and it is a good exercise to formally match terms according to an order parameter (μ in this case.) Of course, then you must also make use of
BA = AB - [A,B]
etc.

sgnl03 said:
edit: I guess I don't mean putting it through the entire thing, just the result for exp(A +B) = exp(A)exp(B)exp([A,B]/2), but then again I'm also clueless.
This is correct. You know that you can stop there because the commutator is a scalar. In effect, that IS "the entire thing", and anyway "the entire thing" apparently doesn't have (what a would call) a closed form (at least it doesn't look very elegant in general).
 
Cheers, Thanks.
 
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