What is the significance of complex vectors in electromagnetism?

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The discussion centers around the significance of complex vectors in electromagnetism, particularly in relation to wave representation and phasor analysis. Participants explore the mathematical implications and physical interpretations of complex vectors in the context of electromagnetic waves and their propagation in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the representation of complex vectors and whether they signify a single propagating signal despite involving multiple sinusoidal functions.
  • Another participant clarifies that the real part of the expression ##(\hat x + j\hat y)e^{j\omega t}## corresponds to the wave function ##A(t)##, linking it to the cosine and sine components of the wave.
  • A participant expresses confusion about translating the y component of the phasor representation into the time domain, particularly regarding its negative sign.
  • Another participant notes that without context, the equation appears to contain undefined variables and suggests that the components may vary at the same frequency but with different amplitudes and phases.
  • A further contribution discusses the meaning of "vector" in this context, distinguishing between physical vectors (like force or electric fields) and their complex representations, suggesting that complex vectors can also represent actual vectors in a complex form.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation regarding the significance and representation of complex vectors. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the equations or the physical implications of the components involved.

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Some participants highlight the need for additional context to fully understand the equations being discussed, indicating that assumptions about the definitions and relationships between components may be missing.

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I've recently began a course on electromagnetism and have started dealing with complex vectors. I have a couple questions to ask:

Regarding the general concept of complex vectors, I am curious what these actually represent. Refer to attached equation. Am I correct to believe that this equation represents a wave as a function of time traveling through 3D space? And even though there are 3 different sinusoidal functions, they represent a single propagating signal?

Now moving onto the mathematics, I have a question regarding an example problem. Refer the second equation attached. This equation is a phasor representation of a wave in 2D space. I am having trouble translating this phasor representation into the time domain. I understand how the x component translates into cos(wt) but I am having trouble in understanding how the y component translates. Specifically, I don't understand why it is negative...
 

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##A(t)## is the real part of ##(\hat x + j\hat y)e^{j\omega t}##.

##e^{j\omega t} = \cos \omega t + j \sin \omega t##.

And ##j^2 = -1##.
 
AlephZero said:
##A(t)## is the real part of ##(\hat x + j\hat y)e^{j\omega t}##.

##e^{j\omega t} = \cos \omega t + j \sin \omega t##.

And ##j^2 = -1##.

Ahh, thank you AlephZero. I apparently at times forget about the common frequency within the two components.

Regarding my first question, any insight on that?
 
tomizzo said:
Regarding my first question, any insight on that?

Sorry, but without any context it's just an equation with a lot of undefined variables in it.

Apparently three different things (or three components of the same thing?) are varying at the same frequency but with different amplitudes and phases, and for some reason they are added together. I think more than that is just guessing.
 
Actually, what is the meaning of "vector" it is a physical real vector-as force or magnetic field density, electric field or magnetic field and other. What we call vector, usually, it is only the complex [symbolic] representation of alternative sinusoidal variation of current or voltage. However there are also "complex vectors" actual vectors in complex representation. See:
http://www.ismolindell.com/publications/monographs/pdf/Methchap1.pdf
 

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