What is the Simple Explanation for Radians and Trigonometric Functions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around understanding radians and trigonometric functions, particularly in the context of evaluating expressions like sin(pi/3) without relying on calculators. Participants explore concepts related to the unit circle, common angle values, and methods for memorization.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in evaluating sin(pi/3) without a calculator and seeks help in understanding the underlying concepts.
  • Another participant suggests that memorizing sine, cosine, and tangent values for common angles would be beneficial.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the coordinates on the unit circle and the trigonometric functions, with one participant confirming that x corresponds to cosine and y corresponds to sine.
  • Some participants introduce the mnemonic SOH CAH TOA to explain the relationships in right triangles, particularly in the context of the unit circle.
  • A participant explains that pi/3 radians is equivalent to 60 degrees and shares a method of using special right triangles to derive sine and cosine values.
  • Another participant describes how to visualize sine and cosine using an equilateral triangle and the properties of right triangles formed within it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of memorizing trigonometric values and the relationships between angles and their sine and cosine values. However, there is no consensus on the best method for learning or memorizing these values, as different approaches are suggested.

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Some participants reference external resources for further explanation, indicating that there may be varying levels of familiarity with the concepts discussed. The discussion also highlights the reliance on visual aids and geometric interpretations in understanding trigonometric functions.

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Im currently in Calc II and am finding myself totally lost when it comes to solving things like sin(pi/3) and trig of that nature. I am very reliant on my calculator and am extremely fond of degrees, but I NEED to be able to find the definite integral of cos(x) from 0 to (pi/3) and problems that are similar. I was hoping that someone could help explain how this works. Its something I really should know how to do, but I don't know where else to go to learn.

Thanks in advance guys.
 
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In general you will get more useful answers if you ask a specific question.

Can you narrow it down a bit? Just what is that you are having trouble with?
 
Integral said:
In general you will get more useful answers if you ask a specific question.

Can you narrow it down a bit? Just what is that you are having trouble with?

Sorry about that. Basically I have absolutely no idea how to evaluate an expression like sin(pi/3) without using my calculator. Would someone be able to explain to me how to do this?

I know that the answer is sqrt(3)/2 but I do not know how to do this without using my calculator.
 
somebodyelse5 said:
Thanks! For the unit circle, the points (x,y)

does x correspond with cos and y correspond with sin? How does that part work?

Yes, that's right. Wikipedia can probably explain it better than I can for now (it's getting late here)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigonometric_functions
 
Yes. Basically, it's SOH CAH TOA, in which case H, the hypotenuse, is 1 for unit circles. This makes sin(theta) dependent on the y value, cos(theta) dependent on the x value, and etc. I'm a bit curious why you've haven't learned this before calc.
 
There's very little you need to do when thinking about these things luckily.

pi/3 is the same as 180°/3 = 60°.

I find it immensely easier to think in this way, so sin(60°)= (√3/2)

The reason I know this is from using SOH, CAH, TOA on the famous 30°, 60° & 90° triangles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwet4cIpnCM&feature=PlayList&p=26812DF9846578C3&playnext_from=PL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_right_triangles



\int_{0}^{ \frac{ \pi }{3}} cos(x)\,dx \ = \ sin( \frac{\pi}{3}) \ - \ sin(0) \ = \ \frac{ \sqrt{3} }{2}

Try doing it this way until you intuitively get that pi/3 = 60°, pi/4 = 45° etc... and don't be afraid to draw and redraw the 30°, 60°, 90° triangles in a margin so that you don't have to memorize everything, you can recall all of them with no hassle this way.
 
To find sin(30)= sin(\pi/6) or sin(60)= sin(\pi/3) and the cosines, think of an equilateral triangle. If you drop a perpendicular from one vertex to the opposite side, it bisects that opposite side. Now you have two right triangles with angles of 30 degrees= \pi/6 radians and 60 degrees= \pi/3 radians. If each side of the equilateral triangle, and the hypotenuse of each right triangle, was 1, the side opposite the 30 degree angle has length 1/2 and, by the Pythagorean theorem, the side opposite the 60 degree angle is \sqrt{3}/2. Now, you can calculate all trig functions from the definitions.

For 45 degrees= \pi/4, use an isosceles right triangle with legs of length 1. The hypotenuse has length \sqrt{2}.
 

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