What is the smallest value of angular displacement of the raft?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the smallest angular displacement of a raft during a crane operation. Participants express confusion about the problem's phrasing, particularly regarding the term "smallest angular displacement," and debate the mechanics involved, such as torque and angular momentum. They clarify that the crane's rotation is horizontal and involves a mass at the end of a rod, which affects the raft's orientation. The conversation also touches on the conservation of angular momentum, leading to the conclusion that the angular displacement is influenced by the length of the jib and the mass distribution. Ultimately, the goal is to determine the optimal angle that minimizes the raft's angular displacement during the crane's operation.
  • #51
haruspex said:
Did you mean that? If W and r are fixed, that would be minimised by letting k tend to infinity.
Not really. That value of ##\beta## is specific and was derived by two different methods (which I think are equivalent). The ratio to minimize ##\beta## is ##\large(\frac{ W} {2kr}\large)=0.9190## as shown in posts #37 and #41. This means'

$$\large k=1.088 \frac{W }{2r }$$

The way I read this is that for a given ##W,r## that gives the ##k## value for minimum angle ##\beta##. Then you get the minimum ##\alpha## given those constraints but the absolute minimum of angle ##\alpha## is found by playing with the ratio ##\frac{W }{2r }## the minimum being 1. Physically, to me that means if the crane is as wide as it can get, as wide as the river, its moment of inertia is largest possible thus the angle turned is the smallest possible.
 
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  • #52
bob012345 said:
The ratio to minimize β
But we're not asked to minimise β; we are asked to minimise α.
 
  • #53
haruspex said:
But we're not asked to minimise β; we are asked to minimise α.
True. Let me clarify, I meant this is the ##\beta## that makes ##\alpha## minimum. As you showed in post #40, it has a specific value ##\beta= tan(\frac{\beta}{2}) ≈133.6°##
 
  • #54
bob012345 said:
True. Let me clarify, I meant this is the ##\beta## that makes ##\alpha## minimum. As you showed in post #40, it has a specific value ##\beta= tan(\frac{\beta}{2}) ≈133.6°##
Right, which is why I queried what you wrote in post #49; it was not what you meant.
 
  • #55
haruspex said:
Right, which is why I queried what you wrote in post #49; it was not what you meant.
Correct. I was trying to make a point about the importance of that ratio that defines ##\beta##. In my mind I summarize all the results above as follows;

By conservation and geometry we have

$$α = \frac {4mk^2} {M_c} \sin^{-1} \left(\frac {W} {2kr}\right)$$ letting ##\large z=\frac {W} {2kr}## we have;

$$α = \frac {4m} {M_c} \left(\frac{W}{2r}\right)^2 \frac{\sin^{-1}(z)}{z^2}$$ therefore ##\alpha## is minimized for given constraints with ##z=0.9190## giving the fixed ##\beta## above.
 
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