What is the subgroup and order of a matrix group generated by A and B?

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The problem involves determining the subgroup and order of a matrix group generated by two matrices, A and B, within the general linear group GL2(ℂ). The original poster seeks to show that the group generated by A and B is a subgroup of GL2(ℂ) and to establish that its order is 8.

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  • Participants discuss the criteria for showing that a set is a subgroup, including the need to demonstrate linear independence of A and B. There are questions about the interpretation of the notation

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations and approaches. Some have suggested calculating products of A and B, while others emphasize the need for a proof that the identified elements form a group. There is recognition that simply listing elements may not suffice to establish the group's properties.

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Participants note that A4 = I and B2 = I, which may be relevant to the group's structure. There is uncertainty about the uniqueness of the elements generated, as some participants question whether certain products yield distinct results.

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Homework Statement



A= \left( \begin{matrix}<br /> i &amp; 0 \\<br /> 0 &amp;-i<br /> \end{matrix} \right)
, B= \left( \begin{matrix}<br /> 0 &amp; 1 \\<br /> 1 &amp; 0<br /> \end{matrix} \right)
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Show that \langle A, B \rangle is subgroup of GL_2(\mathbb{C}). And Show that \langle A, B \rangle generated by A and B, and order of \langle A, B \rangle is 8 ?

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GL_2(\mathbb{C}) = \big\lbrace X \in M_2(\mathbb{C}) ~~\vert ~~ \exists Y\in M_2(\mathbb{C}) ~ with~ XY=YX=I \big\rbrace \\
which Y is inverse of X

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And what have you done?? What do you have to do to show something is a subgroup?
 
\langle A, B \rangle = \left( \begin{matrix} 0 &amp; i \\ -i &amp; 0 \end{matrix} \right) and det(<A,B>)=-1, hence det(<A,B>) in GL_2(\mathbb{C}). right?

on the other hand, if we want to show \langle A, B \rangle generated by A and B,
we need to show that A and B are linear independent ?
 
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I am confused, because
\langle A, B \rangle= \Big\langle \left( \begin{matrix} i &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; -i \end{matrix} \right) \left( \begin{matrix} 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 \end{matrix} \right)\Big\rangle= \left( \begin{matrix} 0 &amp; i \\ -i &amp; 0 \end{matrix} \right) right?

and this is just an element of GL_2{\mathbb{C}}, not a group of GL_2{\mathbb{C}}, right?
 
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burak100 said:
I am confused, because
\langle A, B \rangle= \Big\langle \left( \begin{matrix} i &amp; 0 \\ 0 &amp; -i \end{matrix} \right) \left( \begin{matrix} 0 &amp; 1 \\ 1 &amp; 0 \end{matrix} \right)\Big\rangle= \left( \begin{matrix} 0 &amp; i \\ -i &amp; 0 \end{matrix} \right) right?

and this is just an element of GL_2{\mathbb{C}}, not a group of GL_2{\mathbb{C}}, right?

Right. I'm not sure what <A,B> is supposed to mean, but I think you just supposed to check that the group generated by all possible products of A and B is a subgroup of order 8.
 
So , should I try to find all possible products of A and B , or is there some trick to find it?
 
burak100 said:
So , should I try to find all possible products of A and B , or is there some trick to find it?

Well, A^4=I and B^2=I, right? Showing AB=(-BA) would also help a lot.
 
Dick said:
Well, A^4=I and B^2=I, right? Showing AB=(-BA) would also help a lot.

I try to calculate possibilities,

I, A, B, AB, BA, AAB, AAA, BAA

and there are 8 elements , is it the answer?
 
burak100 said:
I try to calculate possibilities,

I, A, B, AB, BA, AAB, AAA, BAA

and there are 8 elements , is it the answer?

The answer would be a PROOF that those 8 elements form a group. Just listing them isn't enough. Besides, I don't think all of those are different. Isn't AAB=BAA?
 

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