Infinite cyclic group only has two generators

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The discussion revolves around the properties of infinite cyclic groups, specifically examining the conditions under which a subgroup generated by an element \( x^a \) is equal to the entire group generated by \( x \). The original poster attempts to show that if \( H = \langle x^a \rangle \) for an infinite order element \( x \), then \( a \) must be either \( 1 \) or \( -1 \).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the equality \( H = \langle x^a \rangle \) and explore the relationship between \( b \) and \( ma \) in the context of arbitrary integers. There are questions about the rigor of the original proof and whether additional details are necessary to clarify the reasoning.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the clarity and rigor of the original proof. Some suggest that the condition \( |x| = \infty \) is crucial for the argument, while others emphasize the need for explicit dependencies in the reasoning. There is recognition of the need for clearer explanations without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note that the proof's clarity may be affected by the assumptions made about the order of \( x \) and the nature of the integers involved. There is also mention of the potential for confusion in expressing dependencies within the mathematical statements.

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Homework Statement


Let ##H = \langle x \rangle##. Assume ##|x| = \infty##. Show that if ##H = \langle x^a \rangle## then ##a = \pm 1##

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The Attempt at a Solution


Here is my attempt: Suppose that ##H = \langle x^a \rangle##. Then, for arbitrary ##b \in \mathbb{Z}##, ##x^b = (x^a)^m## for some ##m \in \mathbb{Z}##. Then ##x^{b-ma} = 1##, which is only true when ##b = ma##. But for the last equation ##b## is arbitrary, so there only exists an ##m## for arbitrary ##b## such that ##b = am## when ##a = \pm 1##. To the contrary, suppose that ##a \ne \pm 1## and ##b \ne a##; then we can choose ##b## to be relatively prime with ##a## so that there exists no ##m## s.t. ##b = am##.

Is this clear and rigorous? I feel that there could be a better way of showing that ##b = am \implies a = \pm 1##.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
which is only true when b = ma.
That is not so in general. Why is it so in this case, though?
 
Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Let ##H = \langle x \rangle##. Assume ##|x| = \infty##. Show that if ##H = \langle x^a \rangle## then ##a = \pm 1##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Here is my attempt: Suppose that ##H = \langle x^a \rangle##. Then, for arbitrary ##b \in \mathbb{Z}##, ##x^b = (x^a)^m## for some ##m \in \mathbb{Z}##. Then ##x^{b-ma} = 1##, which is only true when ##b = ma##. But for the last equation ##b## is arbitrary, so there only exists an ##m## for arbitrary ##b## such that ##b = am## when ##a = \pm 1##. To the contrary, suppose that ##a \ne \pm 1## and ##b \ne a##; then we can choose ##b## to be relatively prime with ##a## so that there exists no ##m## s.t. ##b = am##.

Is this clear and rigorous? I feel that there could be a better way of showing that ##b = am \implies a = \pm 1##.
No. That's a good example why I favor to write all dependencies explicitly. E.g. people write "##\forall \, \varepsilon \,\exists \,N ## such that ..." Wrong! It has to be "##\forall \, \varepsilon \,\exists \,N(\varepsilon) ## such that ..." because the choice of ##N## depends on the choice of ##\varepsilon \,.##

It is the same in what you wrote: ##\forall \,b\in \mathbb{Z} \,\exists \, m(b)\in \mathbb{Z} \ldots ## We thus have ##b=m(b)\cdot a##. So what? This is no surprise as it is exactly what we started with.

There is an easy way to check your proof, because ##(H,\cdot)=(\mathbb{Z},+)##. The exponents of the multiplicative ##x## are precisely the integers, so that is the isomorphism. Just assume ##a \neq \pm 1\,.## How could we ever reach points between ##1## and ##a\,?## Only if we had a relation, but ##x## doesn't have a relation, it is a free group.

Edit: Correction. Now I got your argument. ##a \,\mid \,b## for all ##b## and thus ##a## is a unit, hence ##a= \pm 1\,.## Sorry. It's a bit late here.
 
haruspex said:
That is not so in general. Why is it so in this case, though?
It is true in this case because ##|x| = \infty##. If I add this in would the proof be fine? When I read it's a bit hard to follow (as evidenced by fresh_42's edit), so O just want to make sure there's not some clearer way that uses the same underlying logic.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
It is true in this case because |x|=∞.
Yes, but that step bears a little more detail.
 
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