What is the sum of a series with increasing powers of 3 and alternating signs?

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of a series with increasing powers of 3 and alternating signs, specifically the series 1 - 3 + 3^2 - 3^3 + ... + 3^(2n). Participants are exploring the formulation and summation of this series, which falls under the topic of geometric series.

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  • Participants discuss the application of geometric series formulas and question the validity of their initial attempts. There are considerations of rewriting terms and exploring different values for x in the series. Some participants express confusion over the correct formulation and the implications of the nth term.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the structure of the series and the need to account for additional terms when proving by induction. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in summing the series correctly.

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Participants are grappling with the specifics of the series and the implications of alternating signs, as well as the correct application of geometric series formulas. There is an acknowledgment of potential misunderstandings regarding the terms involved and the summation process.

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Homework Statement



Hello there!

I'm trying to find the sum of:

1 - 3 + 3^2 - 3^3 + ... + 3^(2n) = ...

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I tried with

1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ... = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)

with x = 3. However, the nth term doesn't fit (3^(2n)).

At the moment, I'm a little bit out of ideas. Any suggestion would be very appreciated.
 
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naaa00 said:
1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ... = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)

This formula is wrong. Why don't you look up the correct one to get started?
 
Oh yeah, my bad.

I meant

1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ... = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)
 
naaa00 said:
Oh yeah, my bad.

I meant

1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ... = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)

Still not good. There should be a last term on the left. It's not an infinite series.
 
1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ... + x^(n-1) = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)

I'm currently trying, but still nothing.
 
naaa00 said:
1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ... + x^(n-1) = (1 - x^n)/(1 - x)

I'm currently trying, but still nothing.

That's it. Let's write that as 1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ... + x^(m-1) = (1 - x^m)/(1 - x). It looks to me like you just want x=(-3) and m-1=2n.
 
I'm trying for example:

The nth term 3^(2n), I'm wrinting it as (3^n)^2

Then I got: (Sigma 3^n) times (Sigma 3^n). Each one is a geometric series and the sum for each would be (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3). Since there is a product of geometric series, I supposed that on the RHS I could put (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3) times (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3).

Or [(1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3)]^2

But apparently it doesn't work...
 
naaa00 said:
I'm trying for example:

The nth term 3^(2n), I'm wrinting it as (3^n)^2

Then I got: (Sigma 3^n) times (Sigma 3^n). Each one is a geometric series and the sum for each would be (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3). Since there is a product of geometric series, I supposed that on the RHS I could put (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3) times (1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3).

Or [(1 - 3^n)/(1 - 3)]^2

But apparently it doesn't work...

No. It's a single geometric series. You hardly have to do anything except substitute into a formula. 3^(2n)=(-3)^(2n). Reread my last post.
 
Omg. I think my mistake was that I used all the time x = 3 and not x =-3!

Let's see.
 
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Let's see:

m- 1 = 2n, m = 2n + 1, and x = -3,

(1 - (-3^{2n+1})/ 4

For n = 0, 1.

[1 - (-3^1)]/4 = 1, [1 - (-3^3)]/4 = 28/4 = 7.

but the sum of the first two terms is -2, and not 7.

1 - 3 + 3^2 - 3^3 + ... + 3^(2n)

Apparently doesn't work, (or its me?) Why it doesn't work?
 
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naaa00 said:
...

Let's see:

m- 1 = 2n, m = 2n + 1, and x = -3,

(1 - (-3^{2n+1})/ 4

For n = 0, 1.

[1 - (-3^1)]/4 = 1, [1 - (-3^3)]/4 = 28/4 = 7.

but the sum of the first two terms is -2, and not 7.

1 - 3 + 3^2 - 3^3 + ... + 3^(2n)

Apparently doesn't work, (or its me?) Why it doesn't work?

If you put n=1 then you are summing up to 3^(2*n)=3^2=9. That's the sum of the first three terms 1-3+9. Not the first two terms.
 
  • #12
Aha! Now I get it. Thank you very much for your help!
 
  • #13
Now, I'm trying to prove this by induction, but I doesn't work...

[1 - x^{2n+1}/4] + 3^{2n+1} = [1 - x^{2n+1} + 4x^{2n+1}]/4

[1 - x^{2n+1} (1 + 4)]/4 = [1 - 5x^{2n+1}]/4,

susbtituting x =-3, [1 - 5(-3)^{2n+1}]/4,

but, I should get [1 - (-3)^{2n+3}/4]

Any suggestion?
 
  • #14
naaa00 said:
Now, I'm trying to prove this by induction, but I doesn't work...

[1 - x^{2n+1}/4] + 3^{2n+1} = [1 - x^{2n+1} + 4x^{2n+1}]/4

[1 - x^{2n+1} (1 + 4)]/4 = [1 - 5x^{2n+1}]/4,

susbtituting x =-3, [1 - 5(-3)^{2n+1}]/4,

but, I should get [1 - (-3)^{2n+3}/4]

Any suggestion?

The n case is the sum up to (-3)^(2n). To get to the n+1 case, which sums up to (-3)^(2(n+1))=(-3)^(2n+2) you need to add two terms. (-3)^(2n+1) and (-3)^(2n+2).
 
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Yeah, indeed, it works.

I must admit I don't fully understand why for the n+1 term, I must add two terms. Why is that?
 
  • #16
So, from the n+1 term: (-3)^(2(n+1))=(-3)^(2n+2)

the distance from n, is 2n+2, and therefore I must include the number which is in between, that is, 2n+1?
 
  • #17
naaa00 said:
So, from the n+1 term: (-3)^(2(n+1))=(-3)^(2n+2)

the distance from n, is 2n+2, and therefore I must include the number which is in between, that is, 2n+1?

Yes. The case n and the case n+1 differ by the addition of two terms.
 
  • #18
Ok. Thanks again!
 

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