What is the Temperature of the Gas in State A?

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The problem involves an ideal monoatomic gas undergoing a series of thermodynamic processes: an isobaric expansion, an isochoric cooling, and an isothermal compression. Participants are tasked with determining the temperature of the gas in state A, given specific conditions at state B.

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  • Some participants suggest using the ideal gas law to find the volume at state B and the pressure at state C. Others question the temperature scale conversion and the relationships between states A, B, and C.

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Participants are actively discussing the steps needed to solve the problem, with some guidance offered regarding the use of the ideal gas law. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of formulas and the temperature scale, as well as the relationships between the states of the gas. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Three moles of an ideal monoatomic gas trebles its initial volume in an isobaric expansion from state A to state B. The gas is then cooled isochorically to state C and finally compressed isothermally until it returns to state A. The molar gas constant is R = 8.314 J mol–1 K–1 and Boltzmann's constant is 1.38 × 10–23 J K–1.

(a) If state B corresponds to a pressure P = 5 atm (1 atm = 1.013 × 10^5 Pa) and temperature T = 535 °C, determine the temperature of the gas in state A.




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the answer to this solution is 269K...and i have NO idea what so ever how to do this, could you please help?
 
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urgent said:

Homework Statement



Three moles of an ideal monoatomic gas trebles its initial volume in an isobaric expansion from state A to state B. The gas is then cooled isochorically to state C and finally compressed isothermally until it returns to state A. The molar gas constant is R = 8.314 J mol–1 K–1 and Boltzmann's constant is 1.38 × 10–23 J K–1.

(a) If state B corresponds to a pressure P = 5 atm (1 atm = 1.013 × 10^5 Pa) and temperature T = 535 °C, determine the temperature of the gas in state A.
First, determine the volume at B and then the pressure at C. (Hint: use ideal gas law. Be careful about temp. scale). With that, you can determine the temperature at C, which is the same as the temperature at A.

AM
 
First, determine the volume at B and then the pressure at C. (Hint: use ideal gas law. Be careful about temp. scale). With that, you can determine the temperature at C, which is the same as the temperature at A.

AM

hi um i tried to do it as u advised, but i was not able to get the right answer, could you please state the suggested formulas to use in order? thanks
 
urgent said:
hi um i tried to do it as u advised, but i was not able to get the right answer, could you please state the suggested formulas to use in order? thanks
Find the volume at B and the temperature at A (which is the same as temperature at C).:

PV=nRT.

At B: P = 5 atm = 5 x 101.3 KPa = 506.5 KPa; T = 535+273 = 808K. n = 3 moles

V = nRT/P = ________?

This is 3 times the volume at A, so the volume at A is _______. Applying the ideal gas law, the temperature at A is: _______



AM
 
thx a lot for ur help! really appreciate it=]
 

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