What is the total energy stored in this oscillation

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The discussion revolves around a simple pendulum problem involving its length, mass, release angle, and the calculation of its frequency, speed at the lowest point, and total energy stored during oscillation. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics and oscillatory motion.

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  • Participants discuss the formulas for frequency and speed, with some uncertainty about incorporating the angle of release. There is an exploration of the equation of motion and the need to determine initial conditions. Questions arise regarding the amplitude and its relation to the angle, as well as the initial height of the pendulum bob.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about energy conservation and the relationship between potential and kinetic energy. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of equations of motion and the significance of the initial height, but no consensus has been reached on the specific calculations or interpretations.

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There is a focus on the initial conditions of the pendulum's motion, particularly the angle of release and its implications for calculating height and amplitude. Participants express uncertainty about how to derive necessary values from the given information.

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1. The length of a simple pendulum is 0.760 m, the pendulum bob has a mass of 365 grams, and it is released at an angle of 12-degree to the vertical. (a) With what frequency does it vibrate? Assume SHM. b) What is the pendulum bob's speed when it passes through the lowest point of the swing? c) What is the total energy stored in this oscillation, assuming no losses?

For a), I used the formula f=1/2pai *(g/L)^(1/2) {I can't type the symbol 3.1415.. and radical} I wasn't sure because I didn't use the angle. For b), I used the formula v=radical F/(m/L). I don't think it is right, either, because of the angle. For c) E=1/2mv^2 + 1/2 kx^2, but how do I find x?
Thanks for help.
 
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a) I agree

For parts b and c you really need to find the equation of motion. Since you probably are not familiar with differential equations then I will just tell you what it is.

[tex]x(t) = Acos(\omega t + \delta)[/tex]

Where A and [itex]\delta[/itex] are constants to be determined from your initial conditions, and omega (the w thing) is 2πf. It looks like you are supposed to assume that the pendulum is released from rest i.e. [itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex](0) = 0, and that you are supposed to figure out the initial position x(0), where you would want to use that angle you are worried about.

I know that a lot people teach physics as, formula this, formula that, but try and start from the basics before resorting to formulas.
 
Mindscrape said:
a) I agree

For parts b and c you really need to find the equation of motion. Since you probably are not familiar with differential equations then I will just tell you what it is.

[tex]x(t) = Acos(\omega t + \delta)[/tex]

Where A and [itex]\delta[/itex] are constants to be determined from your initial conditions, and omega (the w thing) is 2πf. It looks like you are supposed to assume that the pendulum is released from rest i.e. [itex]\frac{dx}{dt}[/itex](0) = 0, and that you are supposed to figure out the initial position x(0), where you would want to use that angle you are worried about.

I know that a lot people teach physics as, formula this, formula that, but try and start from the basics before resorting to formulas.

I know that formula, but first I have to find the amplitude? and it kinda relates to the angle? but you said when x(0)=12 degree which will convert to radians?
 
For parts b and c, consider conservation of energy.
 
Doc Al said:
For parts b and c, consider conservation of energy.

Is the speed at the bottom the greatest? But how do I know that at the bottom, it's the equilibrium point? And i don't know the amplitude, either.
 
MIA6 said:
Is the speed at the bottom the greatest?
You tell me. Where is PE the lowest?
But how do I know that at the bottom, it's the equilibrium point?
Equilibrium has nothing to do with it.
And i don't know the amplitude, either.
What's the initial height of the bob, compared to the lowest point?
 
Okay. PE is definitely the lowest at bottom because h=0, so the speed is at its maximum. But I don' know the initial height of the bob.
 
MIA6 said:
PE is definitely the lowest at bottom because h=0, so the speed is at its maximum.
Good.
But I don' know the initial height of the bob.
Figure it out. You're given the string length and the angle for a reason! :wink:
 
Can I use the formula: x=Lcos(angle)?
 
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MIA6 said:
Can I use the formula: x=Lcos(angle)?
That's almost what you need. That's not the height, but it will help you figure out the height. Draw yourself a diagram.
 
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ehh,, to find the height in triangle?
 
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Hint: The bottom position is a distance L below the pivot. How far below the pivot is the initial position? (The difference is the change in height.)
 

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