What Is the Total Load Supported by the Springs and the Mass of the Car?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a car with worn shock absorbers and two passengers, focusing on the total load supported by the springs and the mass of the car. The context includes concepts from mechanics, specifically relating to oscillations and spring constants.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using the relationship between spring force and mass to find the spring constant, and then applying it to determine the mass of the car. There are questions about the correctness of calculations and methods used.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the approach to finding the spring constant and mass, while others are exploring different interpretations of the equations involved. There is no explicit consensus on the correct mass, as different values have been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement, including the given mass of the passengers and the compression of the springs. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of formulas and the handling of algebraic steps.

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Homework Statement



Two people with a combined mass of 120 kg climb into an old car with worn out shock absorbers causing the springs to compress by 7.36 cm. Then, when the car hits a bump in the road it oscillates up and down with a period of 1.35 s.

(1) Find the total load supported by the springs.

(2) Find the mass of the car.




Homework Equations



T = 2pi (m)**.5 / (k)**.5

pi as in 3.1415... T= period k=spring constant **.5 as in radical

also note /\ means: delta/change in

The Attempt at a Solution



Fsp=mg
k/\x=mg
k(.0736)=(120)(9.8)
k=15978.2609 N/m


then plug into above equation:

1.35=[2pi(m)**.5]/(15978.2609)**.5

got incorrect answer of m= 71851.6587 kg

good help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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use k\Deltax = mg to find k. To do this, use the information given when the car is at rest. So m=120kg, \Deltax = 7.36cm .

Once you found k, plug the value in the other equation ( T = 2\pi ...) to find m.R.
 
thanks for replying rick, but that's what i did...i believe. Can you show me the difference?
 
You are absolutely, right. I beg your pardon.

However, my answer for m is completely different from yours.
I get m = 738kg.

Try solving again the second equation.
I would suggest you to square both sides so to get rid of the square root, if you hadn't done so already.

R.
 
Wow, thank you so much! I squared both sides and that did the trick, really cleaned up the algebra. Have a great day! :)
 
Glad to be of help :)

Thanks, have a great day yourself!R.
 

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