What is the work done during an adiabatic process?

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The discussion revolves around an adiabatic process involving 5.50 moles of a monatomic ideal gas, where the temperature changes from 495°C to 215°C. Participants are tasked with finding the work done, heat exchanged, and change in internal energy during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work, heat, and internal energy in an adiabatic process, questioning the assumption of constant pressure and discussing the implications of the first law of thermodynamics.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationships governing the problem, while others express confusion regarding the symbols and equations involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the calculations without specific pressure or volume values.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definition of an adiabatic process implies no heat exchange, and there is a reference to the molar heat capacity for a monatomic gas, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


During an adiabatic process, the temperature of 5.50 moles of a monatomic idea gas drops from 495 C to 215 C. For this gas, find (a) the work it does, (b) the heat it exchanges with its surroundings, and (c) the change in its internal energy


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I know work is P(delta V)
PV1=nRT1 and
PV2=nRT2 so if I subtract to get the change,
P(deltaV)=nR(delta T)
P(deltaV)=5.50(8.31)(280)
P(deltaV)= 12797.4 Joules.
But my textbook says this isn't the answer.
Where did I go wrong?

I know the answer for b is zero, since that's the definition of an adiabatic process
 
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Oh yeah, and the answer to part c must be the opposite sign but same magnitude of the answer to a.
 
What is the work done during an ADIABATIC process... ?

Is it really (P deltaV) ?

Have a look...

adiab.gif
 
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TheBeesKnees said:

Homework Statement


During an adiabatic process, the temperature of 5.50 moles of a monatomic idea gas drops from 495 C to 215 C. For this gas, find (a) the work it does, (b) the heat it exchanges with its surroundings, and (c) the change in its internal energy
Do c) first. You are given the initial and final temperatures so you can determine the change in internal energy. How is the work done related to the change in internal energy if dQ = 0?

You are assuming pressure is constant. That is where you went wrong.

AM
 
I see now that I was wrong to assume pressure is constant, but I'm afraid I'm still a little lost with the symbols and stuff.

What does PV^gamma mean? Is gamma an exponent? And if so, do I need to figure out what both P and V are on their own?

And what constant do they equal? My textbook says (5/3) in the chapter about adiabatic-ness.

In the equation beside the graph, how do I find Vfinal and Vinitial without being given a pressure?
 
You don't need to find pressure or volume to solve this problem. You do need to know that there are only two ways to add energy to a closed system: do work on it or heat it.
 
And in this problem, since it's adiabatic, it does not exchange heat, so if the temperature is going to go down, it must do positive work. I understand this.

I just don't understand how to apply this stuff about Cv and Cp. I am at a loss for what I should do mathematically and what all those symbols mean, and where they came from.
 
Hmmm... I've been searching, and I found the formula
Q= 3/2 nRdT
Which gives me 1.5*5.5*8.31*280= 19196 Joules, which my textbook says is the correct answer.

Where did the 3/2 come from?
 
The energy of an ideal gas depends only on its temperature, by the relationship

\Delta U=c_Vn\Delta T

The molar heat capacity c_V is \frac{3}{2}R for a monatomic gas. The 3/2 factor can be derived (from statistical mechanics), but the derivation is very complex compared to what you're studying now.
 

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