What is this one's definite integral ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definite integral of a function related to gravitational force, specifically the integral of (2.12068539072 x 10^-11) / x^2 from 6,378,100 to 1,500,000,000. Participants explore the calculation of this integral and its implications for determining average force and potential energy in a gravitational context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the integral, noting discrepancies in results from various online calculators.
  • Another participant suggests that the constant can be factored out, simplifying the integral to 1/x^2, and questions if the antiderivative is known.
  • A participant calculates the antiderivative as -1/x and proposes a method for evaluating the definite integral, but expresses doubt about the correctness of their result.
  • Multiple participants report the same numerical result (3.31081057847891 *10^-18) using GNU Octave and a Windows calculator, indicating a potential consensus on this value.
  • Some participants discuss the interpretation of the integral as representing work done by gravitational force and the calculation of average force, with differing views on whether to negate the result.
  • A later reply acknowledges a previous misunderstanding and aligns with another participant's approach regarding the calculation of average force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the integral's meaning and how to calculate average force from it. While some numerical results are consistent, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach and interpretation of the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of work and potential energy in this context, as well as the implications of negating the integral's result.

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This is too far behind me ( time-wise ), and I've gotten different answers from virtually every different online integral calculator . What is the integral of : ( 2.12068539072 x 10^-11 ) / x^2 from 6,378,100 to 1,500,000,000 ? Please only help if you really know your maths well .
 
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I believe the top of the fraction can be brought to the outside of the integral, leaving you with 1/x2 on the inside. Now it's a near-trivial integral with some large limits of integration. Do you know the antiderivative of 1/x2?
 
I just reposted this question cos I thought it didn't take. The integration - as far as I can determine comes to just : -1/x So then I think it gets worked out as
1/b - 1/a where they are ( respectively ) 1500000000 & 6378100 . The answer I get comes to : 1.5678650e-7 - Which I think is wrong.
I'm trying to calculate the average force on an O2 molecule 1,500,000,000 meters out from Earth - coming to ground. It SHOULD also be calculated as from infinity as well. Then I think it should cross check (when its arrival speed is calculated ) with the escape velocity for Earth ( 11.2 Km/s ) .
 
I'm about to head to bed, but I'll try to remember to come back to this after I wake up tomorrow.
 
I get 3.31081057847891 *10^-18 with GNU Octave.
 
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I think what you actually calculate with this integral is the work of the gravity force from 6378100 to 1500000000, you have to divide the value of the integral to the (1500000000-6378100) to get the average force.
 
Erland said:
I get 3.31081057847891 *10^-18 with GNU Octave.
The ordinary Windows calculator gives the same result.
 
Erland said:
I get 3.31081057847891 *10^-18 with GNU Octave.
Thank you Erland. - Yes, - I found, - many hours later, the same number that YOU have come up with. I'm going to have a look at that "GNU Octave" you've mentioned. - Once again, - many thanks.
 
Delta² said:
I think what you actually calculate with this integral is the work of the gravity force from 6378100 to 1500000000, you have to divide the value of the integral to the (1500000000-6378100) to get the average force.
- Thank you Delta for you r effort too ! - Also : - No. The answer is the Work done. Then negating that answer, gives the Potential Energy accumulated by that
movement ( out to the greater distance ). - Once again many thanks.
 
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Dear Delta,
- I must apologize for my reply to you. I was driving along in the car the next day, and realized how dumb what I wrote was. - You were basically correct, ( except you must negate like I said ) - then dividing by the distance gives the average force, - like you said. - Thanks again.
 

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