What Happens to Time If the Rotation of Planets Stops?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of time in physics, particularly in a hypothetical scenario where the rotation of planets around the Sun stops. Participants explore whether such a cessation would imply that time itself has stopped advancing, delving into theoretical implications and definitions of time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that time is not defined by the rotation of planets or the occurrence of day and night, suggesting that time continues regardless of these cycles.
  • Others argue that if the planets were to stop rotating, it would not mean that time has stopped, as time is independent of such physical changes.
  • A participant mentions that time can be understood through mathematical models and operational definitions, particularly in the context of general relativity.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that time varies with velocity and is linked to the concept of entropy, indicating its fundamental role in the evolution of the universe.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the fundamental nature of time, questioning whether it is discrete or continuous and how it relates to other physical phenomena.
  • A later reply raises the idea that string theory might provide insights into the nature of time, although this remains speculative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of time or the implications of the hypothetical scenario. Multiple competing views remain, with some emphasizing the independence of time from planetary motion and others exploring its complex definitions and relationships to physical laws.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on various definitions of time, the unresolved nature of how time interacts with physical phenomena, and the speculative aspects of theories like string theory.

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What is Time according to Physics?

And here's a hypothatical situation and question:

If the rotation of planets around Sun stops, there won't be any more days and nights, it would stop where it is, but would that mean that time has stopped advancing?
 
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This topic by pure coincidence covers your question (however it is not resolved there), from page two onwards.

To answer your question, the rotation of the planets stopping wouldn't really be physical, they can't just stop. You'd be robbing them of their angular momentum, and all the planets would be subject to gravity (and therefore not invariant under time, time isn't simply discardable). Time isn't defined by night or day (neither is it defined by vibrations of a Cesium atom). Anyway, read the topic, maybe it will help you. :)
 
Peon666 said:
What is Time according to Physics?

And here's a hypothatical situation and question:

If the rotation of planets around Sun stops, there won't be any more days and nights, it would stop where it is, but would that mean that time has stopped advancing?

Time is a "duration of passing" where progress of some sort can be measured therefore, determined to have occurred. For instance, holding your breath for 1 minute demonstrates a passing of time, as you'll feel your body requiring air, surely an indication of the progression of your body's metabolism and a "passing of time".

Assuming we could actually stop the planets from revolving around the Sun for a short period of time, would your need to breath air stop? Would clocks stop? Would it prevent your independent movement on the Earth's surface? Of course not, therefore, time continues even though one of the normal methods for determining the day and night is no longer occurring. Naturally, we wouldn’t want to stop the orbits even if we could. :wink:
 
Peon666 said:
If the rotation of planets around Sun stops, there won't be any more days and nights, it would stop where it is, but would that mean that time has stopped advancing?
No. If you manage to make this happen, all you have done is to break one of your clocks (and kill billions of people :smile:).

Peon666 said:
What is Time according to Physics?
From that other thread:
Fredrik said:
...any answer to the question of what time "is", will always be in the form of a mathematical model and a set of instructions about how to use that model to make predictions about the real world. The best answer we have so far is the one provided by general relativity. The relevant "instruction about how to use the model to make predictions" says that what a clock measures is the proper time of the curve that represents the clock's motion. I don't think anyone has a better answer than that at this time.

Note that two definitions of time are needed. First we have to define time in a mathematical model (in this case as a certain integral), and then we have to define it operationally (as "what a clock measures"). Then we postulate how the two are related.
Fredrik said:
We can define a coordinate system in Newtonian mechanics, SR and GR as a function x:M\rightarrow\mathbb R^4, where M is spacetime, and then define "coordinate time" as a component of that function. In SR and GR it's also necessary to define "proper time", which is the integral of \sqrt{-g_{\mu\nu}dx^\mu dx^\nu} along a curve.
 
The best answer we have so far is the one provided by general relativity.

Great answer around this comment...but unlikely to be understood by the poster.

Time is really an elusive subject. The only thing I can think that we really know is that it varies with velocity like space according to your reference frame. And it's "direction" may be linked to increasing entropy characteristic of our universe. It seems to have emerged from the initial big bang or big bouce or whatever started our universe along with space, energy, gravity and other forces, but which is "fundamental" is unknown. Time permits change; without it everything would be static, unchanging, and the universe could not evolve. So its conceivable that in another random quantum fluctuation and another universe time did not emerge..so that universe would be "stuck" in some static condition. Quantum theory typically conjectures time, like space, is discrete (has a minimum interval) and this is suggested but I don't think experimentally proven yet...

It takes a while to understand how subtle time is. I found I had a better feel for it after reading perspectives from people like Michio Kaku, Lee Smolin, Brian Greene, and Roger Penrose in THE ROAD TO REALITY even has an understandable discussion with his really sophisticated mathematics.

Does string theory have any insights regarding time? I can't think of any...
 

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