The discussion revolves around understanding when to use sine and cosine functions in force problems, particularly in the context of vector decomposition. Participants are exploring methods to remember the appropriate application of these trigonometric functions based on the orientation of angles in right-angled triangles.
Participants discuss visualizing force problems through diagrams and the importance of identifying angles correctly. Some suggest using mnemonics like SOH CAH TOA to remember trigonometric definitions. Others question how to determine which angle to use when decomposing forces.
Discussion Status
The conversation includes various strategies and insights on remembering the use of sine and cosine in different scenarios. Some participants have shared personal tips and checks to reinforce understanding, while others are still seeking clarity on specific aspects of the problem.
Contextual Notes
There is an emphasis on the importance of angle measurement in relation to the horizontal and vertical components of force, and how this affects the application of sine and cosine. Participants are also reflecting on the challenges of conceptualizing these relationships.
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AnthroMecha
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I am having the hardest time attaching my brain to some sort of method to know when to use sine and cosine on force problems. What is an easy way of remembering which function to use to find the force in the direction of x and force in the direction of y?
I am having the hardest time attaching my brain to some sort of method to know when to use sine and cosine on force problems. What is an easy way of remembering which function to use to find the force in the direction of x and force in the direction of y?
First of all, draw a picture of the right-angled triangle, so that you don't have to just visualize it in your head.
Second of all, use the mnemonic SOH CAH TOA to remember the definitions of the trigonometric ratios.
Sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse.
Cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse.
Tangent = Opposite/Adjacent.
Third of all, realize that in decomposing force vectors, there are usually only ever TWO possible cases.
Case 1: The angle that you've been given is measured from the horizontal
In this situation, Fy is the side of the triangle that is opposite from the angle, and Fx is the side of the triangle that is adjacent to the angle. (The total magnitude, F, of the force, is always the hypotenuse). Therefore, it follows that:
sinθ = Fy/F (opposite side / hypotenuse)
cosθ = Fx/F (adjacent side / hypotenuse)
Fy = Fsinθ
Fx = Fcosθ
Case 2: The angle that you've been given is measured from the vertical
In this situation, Fy is the side of the triangle that is adjacent to the angle, and Fx is the side of the triangle that is opposite from the angle. (The total magnitude, F, of the force, is always the hypotenuse). Therefore, it follows that:
sinθ = Fx/F (opposite side / hypotenuse)
cosθ = Fy/F (adjacent side / hypotenuse)
Fy = Fcosθ
Fx = Fsinθ
So, you can see that, if the angle is measured from the horizontal, then the cosine is associated with the horizontal component, and the sine is associated with the vertical component.
if the angle is measured from the vertical, then the cosine is associated with the vertical component, and the sine is associated with the horizontal component.
What is an easy way of remembering which function to use to find the force in the direction of x and force in the direction of y?
I keep telling people …
it's always cos!
It's alwayscos of the angle between the force and the direction …
whenever it looks like sine, that's because you're using the "wrong" angle …
maybe θ is marked on the diagram, but if the angle you really want is 90°-θ, then you use cos(90°-θ), which of course is sinθ !
(however, a good check, when you're using slopes, is to imagine "what would happen if the slope was 0°?" … would the component vanish (sin0°) or be a maximum (cos0°) ?)
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AnthroMecha
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