What is Zero Raised to Itself?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the mathematical expression of zero raised to itself (0^0) and its implications in various contexts, including limits, logic systems, and indeterminate forms. Participants explore theoretical and conceptual aspects, as well as practical implications in mathematical reasoning.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that 0^0 is indeterminate, distinguishing it from undefined expressions like 1/0.
  • Others explore the implications of Boolean and Fuzzy logic, suggesting that 0^0 is not well-defined within those frameworks.
  • A participant presents a limit-based approach, suggesting that as functions approach zero, the expression may yield different results depending on the rates of approach.
  • Another participant argues that the context of the expression matters, as different mathematical entities represented by '0' and the meaning of '^' can vary.
  • Some participants express frustration with the lack of consensus and the perceived futility of the discussion.
  • There are claims that 0^0 can be viewed as approaching 1 in certain limit scenarios, though this is contested by others who maintain it is indeterminate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that 0^0 is indeterminate, but there are multiple competing views on its implications and interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved with differing opinions on how to approach the expression mathematically.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in definitions and the dependence on context, particularly in relation to limits and the behavior of functions approaching zero. There is also ambiguity in the mathematical entities represented by '0' and the operation '^'.

  • #31
Originally posted by jcsd
No, you can only really use the formula to find a Fibonacci number when n is a natural number. But as F2 = 1 and F1 = 1, you can define F0 as 0 from the recurssive formula and this is how it is conventially defined.

0/1 is undefined and it's pretty easy to show that it cannot be a real or a complex number and thus you cannot perform algebraic operations on it.

A good point. Using Fibinocci it can not be proven.

Not using Fibinocci, rather using set theory,
is there a quantity of 1 of the set [undefined]
x a quantity of 1 of the set [undefined]

might that = 1?

If it were so, then 0 x 0 = 1
0 x 1 = 0

Would there be such a thing as -0 ?
If so, what would it be?
 
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  • #32
S = k log w wrote:
O/1 is infinity, or indeterm., or undefined, or whatever.

and then
jcsd wrote:
0/1 is undefined and it's pretty easy to show that it cannot be a real or a complex number and thus you cannot perform algebraic operations on it.

Am I missing something? I have been suffering under the delusion that 0/1 was equal to 0 for some years! Or is it possible that you meant either 1/0 or 0/0??
 
  • #33
Oops back to school for a good dose of reading comphrehension for me, I thought it was 1/0 (though why I wrote 0/1 I don't know).
 
  • #34
This is really interesting.

Look at this:

SQRT AND SQUARE


((+2)+(+2)) = +2^2
((-2)+(-2)) = -2^2
((+2)+(-2)+(+2)+(-2)) = 0^2

0^0 = ?
 
  • #35
Originally posted by S = k log w
This is really interesting.

Look at this:

SQRT AND SQUARE


((+2)+(+2)) = +2^2
((-2)+(-2)) = -2^2
((+2)+(-2)+(+2)+(-2)) = 0^2

0^0 = ?

Umm, ((-2)+(-2)) = -2^2? Want to rethink?
 
  • #36
Originally posted by selfAdjoint
Umm, ((-2)+(-2)) = -2^2? Want to rethink?
I think (hope) he meant -(2^2).

Don't forget PEMDAS...

- Warren
 
  • #37
Originally posted by chroot
I think (hope) he meant -(2^2).

Don't forget PEMDAS...

- Warren

Thank you.
 

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