What kind of mathematics/pattern is this?

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The discussion revolves around finding zeros of the function y = cos(2x) and identifying patterns in the zeros of trigonometric functions. The original poster explores their observations regarding the spacing of zeros and attempts to formulate a general approach based on these patterns.

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  • The original poster describes their method of trial and error to find zeros and notes a perceived pattern in the distances between these zeros. They question whether this pattern represents a special kind of mathematics.

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Participants are engaging with the original poster's observations, with some offering insights into the periodic nature of trigonometric functions and confirming the existence of a formula related to the zeros of cosine functions. There is an exploration of the implications of these findings, but no consensus has been reached on the broader significance.

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Some participants reference trigonometric identities and the periodicity of trigonometric functions, suggesting that the original poster's findings are rooted in established mathematical concepts. There is an indication of varying levels of understanding among participants regarding the mathematical principles involved.

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So I was doing my math work today, sine cosine functions, i was trying to find zeros for different functions

in this instance i was working with y=cos2x, i knew what the graph looked like even before i put pen to paper but i wanted to know exactly where the zeros were, i took an educated guess that each side would have 4 zeros(4 negative 4 positive)

so i found my first zero using trial and error which was 45

THEN it happened i sort of found this pattern

the equation i sort of made up was

cos(2 * what number would =0)

the first number i got was 45, then either i got lucky and discovered this pattern or i remember looking at one of the graphs noticing the zeros were always the same distance apart from each other(They were increasing by the same amount each time)

so i did 45+45= not a zero

but when i did

45+45+45 = Zero (135)

45+45+45+45+45=zero(225)

but 45+45+45+45= not a zero

so it would skip a 45 and the next 45 would be a zero

in other words 45(1) = zero 45(2)=not a zero 45(3)=zero 45(4)=not a zero 45(5)=zero and it would go on and on

my question is what have i stumbled upon here? Is this a special kind of mathematics? They all seem to be odd numbers for zeros. This will REALLY come in handy for future problems of similar types, i will no longer find zeros using the exhausting method of trial and error, just use patterns like this to find the zeros and save a lot of time and energy
 
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hi supernova1203! :smile:

(have a degree: ° :wink:)
supernova1203 said:
in other words 45(1) = zero 45(2)=not a zero 45(3)=zero 45(4)=not a zero 45(5)=zero and it would go on and on

my question is what have i stumbled upon here? Is this a special kind of mathematics? They all seem to be odd numbers for zeros. This will REALLY come in handy for future problems of similar types, i will no longer find zeros using the exhausting method of trial and error, just use patterns like this to find the zeros and save a lot of time and energy

you've found the formula cos((n + 1/2)π) = 0 :smile:

(similar to the formula sin(nπ) = 0)

btw, you can "prove" it by expanding to cos(nπ)cos(π/2) - sin(nπ)sin(π/2) = cos(nπ)0 - 0sin(π/2), = 0 :wink:
 
whoa...i had no idea i did that @_@...is that calculus or something(I have a knack for accidently stumbling onto problems that are um.. a little ahead of me, i was recently told in my pre calculus class i solved something they do on adv calculus, i figured out stuff about limits, and infinity, and most importantly i learned how to graph manually reciprocal functions etc ..i was so proud lol my teacher said they would never give a problem like that on exams because its too difficult and would take too long to solve...yet i was able to finish it eventually(I got the problem online)
 
supernova1203 said:
whoa...i had no idea i did that @_@...is that calculus or something

no, it's just trig :wink:

the first equation is simply translating the obvious into an equation, and the second equation is one of the well-known trigonometric identities , cos(A+B) = cosA cosB - sinAsinB :smile:
 
supernova1203: What you have stumbled on is the fact that all of the trig functions, sin, cos, tan, etc., are periodic. For example, the plot of y = sin (x) shows a repeating wave shape as x increases. This means that, if y1 = sin (x1) and y2 = sin (x1+2pi), then y1 = y2, for x measured in radians. The values of y repeat for values of x + 2*k*pi, where k = 1,2,3,... The period for sin, etc. is equal to 2pi radians or 360 degrees. If you are evaluating y = sin(k*x), then the period is equal to 2pi/k radians.
 

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