Undergrad What kind of tensor is the gradient of a vector Field?

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The gradient of a vector field is identified as a (1,1) tensor when applied to a tangent vector field, while the gradient of a dual vector field results in a (0,2) tensor. The discussion also highlights that there is no significant mathematical difference between a vector space and its dual, as they are isomorphic, though not canonically. The concept of a gradient field is introduced, emphasizing that a vector field is a gradient field if it is integrable, yielding zero for closed curves. Additionally, the distinction between natural and canonical isomorphisms is explored, noting that natural isomorphisms do not require extra structures, unlike canonical ones. Overall, the conversation delves into the implications of these tensor types and their relationships in vector spaces.
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PrecPoint said:
(ie a metric tensor field)
No, not necessarily a metric tensor field. A non-degenerate bilinear form. This is not the same thing. A metric tensor is a bilinear form but a bilinear form is not necessarily a metric (or even a pseudo-metric). Again, the typical example would be the (fully anti-symmetric) symplectic form in symplectic geometry.

PrecPoint said:
Please pay attention to the bold words
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martinbn said:
All tangent spaces to all points on a manifold are isomorphic
 
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A vector space and its dual differ in the way their elements transform under linear maps. If a linear map ##L## maps the vector space ##V## into the vector space ##W## then by definition elements of ##V## are sent to elements of ##W##.

However elements of the dual space ##V^{*}## are not sent to elements of ##W^{*}##. Instead it is the other way around. Elements of ##W^{*}## are sent to elements of ##V^{*}##.

Schematically this transformation difference can be represented by two diagrams:

##L:V→V## ##L^{*}:W^{*}→V^{*}##

This difference in transformation direction distinguishes a vector space and its dual. I would guess that this automatically excludes the possibility of a natural transformation between the identity functor and the "dual"" functor that maps each vector space to its dual and each linear map to its induced map on dual spaces. A natural transformation would seem always to preserve the direction of transformation. @fresh_42 is this correct?

This is a purely algebraic consideration and does not require manifolds or tensors or anything else. However, on a smooth manifold, the differential of a smooth map ##f:M→N## between two manifolds ##df:TM→TN## maps tangent vector in ##TM## to tangent vectors in ##TN## while the dual of the differential ##df^{*}:TN^{*}→TM^{*}## maps ##TN^{*}## back in the opposite direction to ##TM^{*}##. The direction of ##df## is called "covariant" while the direction of ##df^{*}## is called "contravariant".

In the language of what is sometimes called "abstract nonsense" the differential is a covariant functor from the category of smooth manifolds and smooth maps to the category of smooth vector bundles and smooth vector bundle morphisms while the dual of the differential defines a contravariant functor to the category of smooth vector bundles and smooth vector bundle morphisms. This is the origin of the terms "push forward" and "pullback".

Notes:
-The coordinates of a vector with respect to a basis are dual vectors when they are viewed as linear functionals that assign a coordinate to each vector. Similarly, the coordinates of dual vectors are dual dual vectors and under the canonical isomorphism are identified with vectors.
 
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  • #33
lavinia said:
A natural transformation would seem always to preserve the direction of transformation. @fresh_42 is this correct?
If I read nLab correctly, and there is no better online source I am aware of when it comes to homological algebra then there is no distinction between covariant or contravariant functors in the definition of a natural transformation between categories, i.e. it is valid in both cases.

Assume we would have two different functors ##\tau,\dagger \, : \,\text{Vec}\longrightarrow \text{Vec}^*.## A transformation ##\alpha \, : \, \tau \longmapsto \dagger ## is natural if it is compatible with the morphisms: Say ##\varphi : V^\tau \longrightarrow W^\tau ## and ##\psi : V^\dagger \longrightarrow W^\dagger ## then we demand that
$$
\alpha (W)\circ \varphi^\tau = (V^\tau\stackrel{\varphi^\tau}{\longrightarrow }W^\tau \stackrel{\alpha }{\longrightarrow } W^\dagger) =(V^\tau\stackrel{\alpha }{\longrightarrow }V^\dagger \stackrel{\psi^\dagger}{\longrightarrow }W^\dagger)= \psi^\dagger \circ \alpha (V)
$$
Hence being natural says something about the mapping ##\tau \longmapsto \dagger## rather than the direction of ##\varphi ## or ##\psi.## I think that makes sense as we are interested how ##V^*\cong V^\tau ## and ##V^*\cong V^\dagger## are related, and not how morphisms in either category are defined. If I'm not mistaken, then ##\varphi,\psi \, : \,W\longrightarrow V## is not ruled out.

There is another interesting note on that page:
A transformation which is natural only relative to isomorphisms may be called a canonical transformation.

At least this explains the difficulty to distinguish the terms with the example ##\text{Vec}## and ##\text{Vec}^*.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
If I read nLab correctly, and there is no better online source I am aware of when it comes to homological algebra then there is no distinction between covariant or contravariant functors in the definition of a natural transformation between categories, i.e. it is valid in both cases.

Assume we would have two different functors ##\tau,\dagger \, : \,\text{Vec}\longrightarrow \text{Vec}^*.## A transformation ##\alpha \, : \, \tau \longmapsto \dagger ## is natural if it is compatible with the morphisms: Say ##\varphi : V^\tau \longrightarrow W^\tau ## and ##\psi : V^\dagger \longrightarrow W^\dagger ## then we demand that
$$
\alpha (W)\circ \varphi^\tau = (V^\tau\stackrel{\varphi^\tau}{\longrightarrow }W^\tau \stackrel{\alpha }{\longrightarrow } W^\dagger) =(V^\tau\stackrel{\alpha }{\longrightarrow }V^\dagger \stackrel{\psi^\dagger}{\longrightarrow }W^\dagger)= \psi^\dagger \circ \alpha (V)
$$
Right. What I meant to say more clearly was there is no idea of a natural transformation between a covariant functor and a contravariant functor.

The thinking was whether one could choose isomorphisms ##J_{V}## between each vector space ##V## an its dual so that for every linear map ##L:V→W##, ##L^{*} \circ J_{W} \circ L =J_{V}##. This cannot be done by choosing a basis for each vector space.

This seems to illustrate a difference between the idea of a natural/canonical isomorphism and a natural transformation.
 
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martinbn said:
Why not?
As an example, take a Banach space that is not reflexive but still linearly isomorphic to its second continuous dual space.
 
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S.G. Janssens said:
As an example, take a Banach space that is not reflexive but still linearly isomorphic to its second continuous dual space.
How is that in contradiction to what I said!
 
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martinbn said:
How is that in contradiction to what I said!
Is the above a question?

If yes, then it can be answered by looking up reflexivity and, for example, James' theorem.
 

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