What math tools are especially important for physics majors?

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The discussion centers around the mathematical tools and subjects that are essential for physics majors, particularly focusing on the challenges faced by a first-year student struggling with mathematics. Participants explore the relevance of various mathematical concepts in relation to physics courses and seek advice on improving mathematical skills.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize that foundational math subjects such as algebra, trigonometry, single- and multivariable calculus, and differential equations are crucial for physics majors.
  • Others suggest that math classes should be integrated with physics classes in university to enhance understanding.
  • One participant mentions the importance of being proficient in algebra and trigonometry, highlighting that mistakes in basic operations can hinder progress.
  • There is a discussion about the adequacy of high school math preparation for university-level physics and math courses.
  • Some participants propose that familiarity with concepts from higher-level calculus (Calc 3) may also be beneficial, though not strictly necessary at the current stage.
  • A participant expresses concern about their current course load and the perceived mismatch in their math preparation relative to their physics studies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of certain foundational math subjects for physics majors, but there are differing views on the adequacy of the student's current math preparation and course selection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward for the student.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the student's struggles may stem from inadequate high school math preparation, but this is not universally accepted as the sole reason for their difficulties. There are also unresolved questions about the effectiveness of the current course sequence in addressing the student's needs.

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hi all! I'm a first-year second-semester physics major, problem is I'm very weak at math, often not getting questions right just because I get stuck with the mathematics part. this affects me in both mechanics and electricity
what are the most important math subject and tools needed for physics majors? where can I learn them from?
thanks ahead to everyone who answers!
 
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The math tools really should be part of your early university studies, even if you are a physics major the relevant math should be taught in any physics program so typically you would learn them from your program.

In terms of the math subjects most relevant to physics, it depends on the physics subject but typically linear algebra and single- and multivariable calculus are absolutely fundamental. After that, there are many many others that are relevant as well, just some examples:
  • Vector and tensor analysis
  • Complex analysis
  • Ordinary and partial differential equations
  • Series and transforms
 
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elad katzir said:
hi all! I'm a first-year second-semester physics major, problem is I'm very weak at math, often not getting questions right just because I get stuck with the mathematics part. this affects me in both mechanics and electricity
what are the most important math subject and tools needed for physics majors? where can I learn them from?
thanks ahead to everyone who answers!
As Orodruin says, your math classes should be tied well to your physics classes in university. Can you list all of your classes from your first semester studies? What classes are you taking now in your 2nd semester?

Is the issue that your math preparation in high school (or whatever it is called in your country) didn't seem to be adequate for university?
 
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At the point you're currently at, you should know:
  • algebra and trigonometry
  • how to differentiate
  • how to do basic integrals
  • how to solve simple first-order differential equations
Knowing how to solve the differential equation ##y''+\omega^2 y=0## can help, but it's not strictly necessary yet. Familiarity with some concepts from Calc 3 is also helpful, but again, you'll learn enough in your physics classes along the way to get by.

The most important is being able to do algebra and trig efficiently and correctly. If you're still making dumb mistakes like ##\frac{3x+4}{3} = x+4## or ##\sqrt{a^2+b^2}=a+b##, that's a big problem. If you still rely on SOHCAHTOA to remind yourself what sine and cosine are, that's not acceptable.
 
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berkeman said:
As Orodruin says, your math classes should be tied well to your physics classes in university. Can you list all of your classes from your first semester studies? What classes are you taking now in your 2nd semester?

Is the issue that your math preparation in high school (or whatever it is called in your country) didn't seem to be adequate for university?
I'm taking currently mechanics, calc 2 and electricity and magnetism
previous semester I had calc 1 (but I barely managed to pass it, got the exact grade need to pass after there was a factor), and modern physics.
its highly possible that the math preparation in high school also wasn't good enough for university level
 
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vela said:
At the point you're currently at, you should know:
  • algebra and trigonometry
  • how to differentiate
  • how to do basic integrals
  • how to solve simple first-order differential equations
Knowing how to solve the differential equation ##y''+\omega^2 y=0## can help, but it's not strictly necessary yet. Familiarity with some concepts from Calc 3 is also helpful, but again, you'll learn enough in your physics classes along the way to get by.

The most important is being able to do algebra and trig efficiently and correctly. If you're still making dumb mistakes like ##\frac{3x+4}{3} = x+4## or ##\sqrt{a^2+b^2}=a+b##, that's a big problem. If you still rely on SOHCAHTOA to remind yourself what sine and cosine are, that's not acceptable.
I know basic integrals up until the D.I method for integration by part but not how to solve any differential equations, except one. and I know differentiate but not by the hearth, often making dumb mistakes like forgetting an ln when differentiating 4ln^2(x+1)
 
elad katzir said:
I'm taking currently mechanics, calc 2 and electricity and magnetism
previous semester I had calc 1 (but I barely managed to pass it, got the exact grade need to pass after there was a factor), and modern physics.
That makes no sense. You are going through the courses wrong.
 
elad katzir said:
previous semester I had calc 1 (but I barely managed to pass it, got the exact grade need to pass after there was a factor)
This no doubt is where in lies your problem.
 

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