What method should I use to solve variable mass problems in physics?

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The discussion centers on solving variable mass problems in physics, specifically contrasting two methods: the differential equation approach using F=d(mv)/dt and the first principles approach involving differential changes in momentum. The first method is applicable in specific scenarios, such as when mass increases at a constant rate, exemplified by a water droplet falling through a cloud. The second method, based on first principles, is universally applicable and is recommended for deriving equations like the rocket equation. Understanding the conditions under which each method is applicable is crucial for effective problem-solving in variable mass dynamics.

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I'm a little confused about these.

Sometimes I have seen solutions where F=d(mv)/dt=mdv/dt+vdm/dt is used and solved as a differential equation. An example is this:
A water drap falls through a cloud. It has initial mass m which increases at a constant rate km as it falls. Show that it's equation of motion is given by
kv+(1+kt)dv/dt=g(1+kt)
with v it's velocity and g the gravitational acceleration.

Sometimes however this does not seem to be applicable and we must work from first principles, equation a differential change in momentum dp to a differential impulse Fdt. An example is deriving the rocket equation, or a hot air balloon dropping sand.

My questions are:
How do I know which method to use?
Is the second method one that works for all cases whilst the first is just a special case?
If so when can I use the first method?
 
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First principles always work. Use that.
 
dauto said:
First principles always work. Use that.

Ok but it would be nice to understand why the first method works in some cases if anybody could explain that...
 
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