What octahedral site is preferred by carbon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the preferred octahedral site for carbon in steel made with ferrite (bcc structure), specifically whether carbon favors face-centered or edge-centered octahedral sites. The scope includes theoretical considerations of interstitial sites in crystalline structures.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that carbon occupies octahedral sites in steel and question whether it prefers face-centered or edge-centered sites.
  • One participant mentions a reference suggesting that carbon may prefer sites with deformations, indicating a potential preference for edge-centered sites, but they plan to confirm this.
  • A reference is provided that discusses the presence of atoms in both lattice and interstitial sites, including details about tetrahedral and octahedral voids.
  • Another participant expresses difficulty in finding information on the topic but acknowledges that the provided reference explains why carbon prefers octahedral voids over tetrahedral voids, without specifying a preference between the two types of octahedral sites.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether carbon prefers face-centered or edge-centered octahedral sites, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of carbon's site preference.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the lack of definitive evidence for the preference of one octahedral site over the other and the dependence on the interpretation of references provided.

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in steel made with ferrite ( fe with bcc ) , we have tetrahedral and octahedral sites that the carbon can occupy , we know that carbon likes to occupy octahedral sites , but there are two kinds of them .
1 : on face centers , and 2 : on edge centers .
does carbon prefer one of them ? or does it occupy both of them ?
 
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potatowhisperer said:
does carbon prefer one of them ? or does it occupy both of them ?

i have seen this discussion in detail and post you a reference -
it says that carbon prefers the site which has deformations and edge sites may be preferred but i will see it and cofirm.
 
drvrm said:
i have seen this discussion in detail and post you a reference -

[PPT]voids_in_crystals.ppt - IITK - Indian Institute of Technology ...
home.iitk.ac.in/~anandh/E-book/voids_in_crystals.ppt
... the atoms may be present both in the lattice and interstitial sites (e.g. B in steel). ... Later on we will talk about tetrahedral and octahedral voids in FCC, BCC ...

the above site gives youu a detail picture of mechanisms.
 
sorry for the late reply , thank you so much for answering , it was strangely hard to find anything about it . the ppt does explain clearly why carbon prefers octa voids over tetra voids , it doesn t specify which octa void though , so i will just take it as there is no difference between the face centers and edge centers.
 

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