What percentage of Americans believe in ghosts?

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The discussion revolves around the belief in ghosts, with participants sharing personal experiences and skepticism. A comparison is made between the percentage of baseball fans in the U.S. and those who believe in ghosts, UFOs, and other controversial topics, highlighting how data representation can be misleading. Some participants recount eerie personal encounters, such as seeing apparitions, while others attribute these experiences to psychological phenomena like sleep paralysis or the brain's tendency to misinterpret sensory information. The conversation also touches on the nature of ghost stories in film, with a preference for psychological thrillers over modern horror tropes. Skeptics argue that there is no scientific evidence for ghosts, suggesting that many reported experiences can be explained by natural causes or psychological states. The dialogue reflects a mix of belief, curiosity, and skepticism regarding the existence of ghosts and the interpretation of supernatural experiences.
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""To my mind, it's a case of where people typically say something is unexplained and all that means is they haven't worked hard enough to look for an explanation. They've given up," he said.
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This case was solved through logic, scientific analysis and methodology," he said.

Of course.
 
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  • #153
EL said:
When it comes to finding natural explanations for "supernatural" experiences I like the following story about Richard Feynman from feynman online:
The Supernatural Clock

Once we were talking about the supernatural and the following anecdote involving his first wife Arline came up. Arline had tuberculosis and was confined to a hospital while Feynman was at Los Alamos. Next to her bed was an old clock. Arline told Feynman that the clock was a symbol of the time that they had together and that he should always remember that. Always look at the clock to remember the time we have together, she said. The day that Arline died in the hospital, Feynman was given a note from the nurse that indicated the time of death. Feynman noted that the clock had stopped at exactly that time. It was as the clock, which had been a symbol of their time together, had stopped at the moment of her death. Did you make a connection? I asked NO! NOT FOR A SECOND! I immediately began to think how this could have happened. And I realized that the clock was old and was always breaking. That the clock probably stopped some time before and the nurse coming into the room to record the time of death would have looked at the clock and jotted down the time from that. I never made any supernatural connection, not even for a second. I just wanted to figure out how it happened.

Problem is, I don't believe him. Or, at least he's splitting hairs on the duration of time he made a supernatural connection - maybe it was only for about 1.5015 milliseconds, or one cycle of his thought processes. :wink:

I remember a kayak class I took where the instructor was giving me 'roll practice'. He'd stand behind my kayak in a swimming pool, flip me upside down, and start shaking the kayak violently. The idea was to just sit tight and remain calm for a few seconds before trying to roll back right side up.

Next day, the last set of rapids we ran was practically a waterfall followed by a series of standing waves. I flipped in the hole at the bottom of the waterfall and the first few explanations that went through my mind for what my kayak was doing were definitely connected to the supernatural. Snake-like sea monster has grabbed my kayak and is trying to shake it to pieces? No, those don't exist, so it has to be a crocodile? No, not in these waters. It has to be an evil female water spirit that's trying to drown me! There's just absolutely no way I'm going to believe I've been shrunk and teleported into a Maytag washing machine, so it has to be the evil spirit of the river! The whole time I'm reaching 'upward' with my paddle getting set to roll and wondering if I'm even reaching in the right direction (I still don't know - my paddle never reached the surface, so I had to bail).

Afterward, I'm remarking that the 'practice' was nothing like the real thing, then realized, "Wait, yeah it was. It was exactly like a person standing behind my kayak and shaking it violently." It's just that the day before, I knew who was grabbing my kayak. In the river upside down, it just seemed inconceivable that there could be any logical reason for what was happening, even having been specifically prepared for it the day before.

I also remember swimming in the Gulf near Hurlburt Air Force Base and seeing a sea turtle. My first impression definitely wasn't sea turtle. It looked like a sea monster out of a horror movie.

There's a lot of things that happen where your first impression is formed by normal human fear and imagination. I don't think there's very many people whose first reaction is cold logic.

And, most importantly, I can post again (I thought I'd been banned :frown:). I went to renew and realized I also needed to update my e-mail. If you change your e-mail address, evidently you can't do anything but read posts until you follow the link in the confirmation e-mail (which I was very slow to get around to reading).

Edit: Added story I was commenting on. (geez, zooby, how could you forget that story already when I only read it about 45 minutes ago?)
 
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  • #154
That link to the Feynman site just takes me to the main page. What's the specific story you're commenting on?
 
  • #155
Ghost To Ghost is on tonight and I can't wait.
I don't care if people here think I'm silly. I love hearing Art Bell and spooky stories on Halloween night.
 
  • #156
zoobyshoe said:
That link to the Feynman site just takes me to the main page.
It's under "Anecdotes" then "Al Seckel" then "The Supernatural clock".
 
  • #157
EL said:
It's under "Anecdotes" then "Al Seckel" then "The Supernatural clock".
Thanks. It's weird: the first time I opened the thread to read BobG's post the internal quote from the story didn't show up on my screen. I've since gone offline and come back on and now it shows up.
 
  • #158
BobG said:
Problem is, I don't believe him. Or, at least he's splitting hairs on the duration of time he made a supernatural connection - maybe it was only for about 1.5015 milliseconds, or one cycle of his thought processes. :wink:

In Feynman's case the emotional set up was quite different. He had been preparing himself for her death for a long time, and I expect had already talked himself into reacting with an analytical state of mind whenever he thought about it. If you remember from his books he accommodated her passing in stride and didn't grieve about it till several months later, when, passing a dress shop, he thought to himself "Arlene would like that dress." Then he realized she was gone and he broke down crying.

In general he seems to have reacted to all stories of the unusual with an analytical approach.

Edit: I see BobG is messing with my head regarding the quote.
 
  • #159
Ghosts

I believe in ghosts. Here in Norway there are so many ghost-stories from family to family. That they are almost hard to not believe in:approve:
 
  • #160
Bombini said:
I believe in ghosts. Here in Norway there are so many ghost-stories from family to family. That they are almost hard to not believe in:approve:

Hey, you are Scandinavian and hence supposed to be rational! But I forgive you since you're only 15 (and Norwegian).:wink:
 
  • #161
Bombini said:
I believe in ghosts. Here in Norway there are so many ghost-stories from family to family. That they are almost hard to not believe in:approve:
You'd be shunned if you didn't believe. To stay in social harmony, you believe.
 
  • #162
Does anyone think the reason why humans are apt to believe in ghosts is because of our shortcomings in night vision? For example, when all the lights are off in my house late at night and I head to the bathroom I see this red light flashing. At first, I didn't know what the source of it was and I was asking myself if I was having some sort of hallucination. Then when I took the time to focus in on the source I realized it was just the smoke detector light. I'm starting to get the sense that our vulnerability in the dark has a lot to do with our disposition towards believing in ghosts.
 
  • #163
BobG said:
Problem is, I don't believe him.
Don't you understand that you are REQUIRED to believe everything Feynman says about himself?
:)
 
  • #164
zoobyshoe said:
To stay in social harmony, you believe.

No, no, you make believe that you believe. That keeps you in social harmony but also within the realm of reason. Plus, you can then fake the occational act of bravery in situations others find spooky. "Of course, I believe in ghosts. But I can take them!" :wink:
 
  • #165
Hehe

EL said:
Hey, you are Scandinavian and hence supposed to be rational! But I forgive you since you're only 15 (and Norwegian).:wink:
Well, since i don't believe in god. i need something else to believe in. I also believe in destiny.
And just the fact that I'm 15 doesn't mean that I'll believe in anything that doesn't make sense.:smile: But it's not actually just the ghosts i believe in, i believe that your body stays behind as some kind of energy :rolleyes:
 
  • #166
Bombini said:
Well, since i don't believe in god. i need something else to believe in. I also believe in destiny.
And just the fact that I'm 15 doesn't mean that I'll believe in anything that doesn't make sense.:smile: But it's not actually just the ghosts i believe in, i believe that your body stays behind as some kind of energy :rolleyes:

if you believe in Einstein----then this forum is...









HAUNTED
 
  • #167
Bombini said:
But it's not actually just the ghosts i believe in, i believe that your body stays behind as some kind of energy :rolleyes:
Why would your body stay behind as some kind of energy when it clearly already "stays behind" as some kind of matter? A dead body is not a mystery.
 
  • #168
Well...

Well, i believe in ghosts and you guys believe in Santa Claus. You don't hear me criticizing you :smile: Its just healthy to believe in something. I don't care if people don't believe i the same things i do :biggrin:
 
  • #169
And Einstein had theories about flying through wormholes to other dimensions. It's just as possible as ghosts xD
 
  • #170
Bombini said:
Well, i believe in ghosts and you guys believe in Santa Claus.
No one here believes in Santa Claus.

Its just healthy to believe in something.
Why? Is that a common saying in your country?
 
  • #171
Bombini said:
Well, i believe in ghosts and you guys believe in Santa Claus.
What? Is that the misinterpretation of the year or what!

Its just healthy to believe in something.
Trust me, it's not. I don't believe in anything, and I'm perfectly healthy!
 
  • #172
I believe in being healthy.

That and odors, of course.
 
  • #173
zoobyshoe said:
No one here believes in Santa Claus.
Not now. :cry:

What next, no Easter Bunny? :frown:
 
  • #174
EL said:
Trust me, it's not. I don't believe in anything, and I'm perfectly healthy!

Well...you believe that you are healthy! You also believe in the laws of physics and that you are a member of PF.

For this not to be true, then this world would have to be a dream to you, you are actually lying in a hospital bed asleep and in bad condition, not an owner of a computer, and living in a world where there is a completely new set of physical laws.

Generally, if you don't believe in anything, you are medically brain dead.
 
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  • #175
Evo said:
Not now. :cry:

What next, no Easter Bunny? :frown:
No, and no Red Rum, either! Get a grip or you'll shoot your eye out!
 
  • #176
turbo-1 said:
No, and no Red Rum, either! Get a grip or you'll shoot your eye out!

No. I don't think that muR deR is going to go away.
 
  • #177
turbo-1 said:
No, and no Red Rum, either! Get a grip or you'll shoot your eye out!
...bbut...he write's to me...wonderful missives... I just got a new one tonight. I'd pay him for these. (don't tell him I said that)
 
  • #178
Evo said:
...bbut...he write's to me...wonderful missives... I just got a new one tonight. I'd pay him for these. (don't tell him I said that)
Go back to the ballroom, deny the existence of the apparitions, and concentrate on the real. No power tools for you, no pellet guns or BB guns, and nothing that can cause large cuts, dismemberments, or random mechanical failures.

If you don't get some smarts, you've got to move into a save to survive!
 
  • #179
LightbulbSun said:
Does anyone think the reason why humans are apt to believe in ghosts is because of our shortcomings in night vision? For example, when all the lights are off in my house late at night and I head to the bathroom I see this red light flashing. At first, I didn't know what the source of it was and I was asking myself if I was having some sort of hallucination. Then when I took the time to focus in on the source I realized it was just the smoke detector light. I'm starting to get the sense that our vulnerability in the dark has a lot to do with our disposition towards believing in ghosts.
I think that when a person's vision is rendered useless then they must rely on their other senses to identify their surroundings. We rely heavily on our vision, so when it is removed we have to be more imaginitive in drawing conclusions. If someone believes in ghosts then any unidentified sensory input could be attributed to such a thing. Maybe this is why ghosts often appear at night when people are afraid.

I don't know how much the dark causes belief in ghosts. A rational mind seeks a cause to an effect. Without vision there are more unknown sensory inputs and more opportunities to attribute the cause to a supernatural entity. It seems simpler to me to just say 'I don't know what that is' than to demand of myself some rationalization of the world.

What ratio of blind people believe in ghosts and how does that compare to sighted people?
 
  • #180
I went to a ghost town the other day... it was scary! It's an old abandoned lumbar jack village that no one has lived in for over half a century. The houses are all falling appart and it's in the middle of nowhere (no cellphone reception or electricity!)
And apparently a ghost of a little girl haunts the area...

The story is that one evening she went to call her dad for dinner, she was seen at one second standing on a huge mound (like a small hill size mound of compressed saw duct/wood shavings) and the next moment she was gone. The villagers believed that she had sunken into the sawdust moud and they spent days digging trying to find the body, but they never did. There have been many sightings of her in the village when people lived their and then she would vanish as though they had been hallucinating.

I was standing on that very hill of saw dust looking down at the village when I was told that story, very spooky!
 

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