What percentage of Americans believe in ghosts?

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The discussion revolves around the belief in ghosts, with participants sharing personal experiences and skepticism. A comparison is made between the percentage of baseball fans in the U.S. and those who believe in ghosts, UFOs, and other controversial topics, highlighting how data representation can be misleading. Some participants recount eerie personal encounters, such as seeing apparitions, while others attribute these experiences to psychological phenomena like sleep paralysis or the brain's tendency to misinterpret sensory information. The conversation also touches on the nature of ghost stories in film, with a preference for psychological thrillers over modern horror tropes. Skeptics argue that there is no scientific evidence for ghosts, suggesting that many reported experiences can be explained by natural causes or psychological states. The dialogue reflects a mix of belief, curiosity, and skepticism regarding the existence of ghosts and the interpretation of supernatural experiences.
  • #91
Evo said:
I'd say about average speed for a flying cat. :wink: She was still curled up in a ball.
What I mean is if the cat was moving at the same speed as it would have been if it had jumped by itself, or if you saw it slowly float through the air? From your answer I conclude that if you hadn't seen it being "scooped up", but just had seen its following trajectory, you hadn't been able to determine wheter it actually had jumped by itself or not. Right?

Yes, we couldn't believe it. After we both basically said WTF? She asked me if I threw the cat, because when she looked up, she saw the cat in the air heading for the fan.
Hey, wait a minute. I got the impression you were saying that both of you saw the cat being scooped up? Now you are saying your daughter saw the cat first when it was airborn. This would mean that you, and only you, saw the "scooping" of the cat, right?

Positive.
But since she didn't see the "scooping", how can you say you didn't persuade her into what had happened?
 
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  • #92
Evo said:
How many cats do you know of that jump into a box fan that's running?
Well, at least one. :wink:
Seriously, cats do the most strange things, just watch some "funny cat"-movies on youtube or similar sites.
 
  • #93
EL said:
Hey, wait a minute. I got the impression you were saying that both of you saw the cat being scooped up? Now you are saying your daughter saw the cat first when it was airborn. This would mean that you, and only you, saw the "scooping" of the cat, right?
No what I was saying was that the cat was still balled up, as if it had been "scooped up" and tossed. It was the manner in which the cat was appoaching the fan that was odd, sideways and balled up. I have never seen a cat jump without extending it's legs, and never sideways, her back hit the fan. That is what my daughter and I couldn't explain. If the cat had just jumped from the bed into the fan, we would have thought "crazy cat" and not thought any more about it.

If I had actually seen the cat "scooped up", it wouldn't be a mystery. :smile: Ok, well, actually I guess it would, but of a different kind. :bugeye:
 
  • #94
Evo said:
No what I was saying was that the cat was still balled up, as if it had been "scooped up" and tossed. It was the manner in which the cat was appoaching the fan that was odd, sideways and balled up. I have never seen a cat jump without extending it's legs, and never sideways, her back hit the fan. That is what my daughter and I couldn't explain. If the cat had just jumped from the bed into the fan, we would have thought "crazy cat" and not thought any more about it.

If I had actually seen the cat "scooped up", it wouldn't be a mystery. :smile: Ok, well, actually I guess it would, but of a different kind. :bugeye:

Ok, the first way i pictured it was that you had actually seen the cat being lifted up by some "invisible force", then "slowly float" sideways through the air while being curled up, and finally hit the fan.

Now I interpret your story like this: Neither you or your daughter looked at the cat the very moment it got airborn. You both saw it when it was flying (with "ordinary" speed) towards the fan, and you both noticed it was in a strange position (curled up into a ball and flying sideways) during the entire flight. Then you both saw it hit the fan.
Is this correct?
 
  • #95
EL said:
Ok, the first way i pictured it was that you had actually seen the cat being lifted up by some "invisible force", then "slowly float" sideways through the air while being curled up, and finally hit the fan.
Good heavens no.

Now I interpret your story like this: Neither you or your daughter looked at the cat the very moment it got airborn. You both saw it when it was flying (with "ordinary" speed) towards the fan, and you both noticed it was in a strange position (curled up into a ball and flying sideways) during the entire flight. Then you both saw it hit the fan.
Is this correct?
Yes, that's it.
 
  • #96
maybe it was really powerful fan?


or, instead of ball lightning, it was ball catling? (flying fur ball)
 
  • #97
Evo said:
Yes, that's it.

Then what is so strange?

The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised (I guess you would too if you jumped into a fan in your sleep:wink:).
 
  • #98
EL said:
Then what is so strange?

The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised (I guess you would too if you jumped into a fan in your sleep:wink:).
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.
 
  • #99
Evo said:
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.

OK---how's this:


On that dark and dready night, the cat was possessed by the spirit of 'Jack the Ripper'

It AWOKE-----not knowing what circumstances it was in---ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE




AND THE...





KIT HIT THE FAN
 
  • #100
Evo said:
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.

Sorry, I thought you were serious.

What about this one: The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised. At the same time there was an invisible brain eating zombie in your closet.
 
  • #101
EL said:
Then what is so strange?

The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised (I guess you would too if you jumped into a fan in your sleep:wink:).

But the cat would have to extend its legs to jump, even it jumped in its sleep.:confused:

rewebster said:
AND THE...





KIT HIT THE FAN

:smile:
 
  • #102
rewebster said:
KIT HIT THE FAN
OY. :biggrin:
 
  • #103
EL said:
What about this one: The cat slept, dreamt, jumped in its sleep, was still sleeping in the air, hit the fan, woke up, got surprised. At the same time there was an invisible brain eating zombie in your closet.
Now that would work. And since we know cats have incredible abilities to detect brain eating zombies, although the zombie had paralyzed the cat through mind control (from eating all of those brains), the cat, summoning all of it's strength, in one last burst of energy managed to propel itself into the fan, alerting my daughter and myself and ruining the zombie's hopes of a late night snack.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! :approve:
 
  • #104
Math Is Hard said:
But the cat would have to extend its legs to jump, even it jumped in its sleep.:confused:
It curled up immediately after it had jumped.
 
  • #105
Evo said:
Now that would work. And since we know cats have incredible abilities to detect brain eating zombies, although the zombie had paralyzed the cat through mind control (from eating all of those brains), the cat, summoning all of it's strength, in one last burst of energy managed to propel itself into the fan, alerting my daughter and myself and ruining the zombie's hopes of a late night snack.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! :approve:

a MWI!



(somebody may enjoy that)
 
  • #106
rewebster said:
a MWI!

That is so BGOIYT!
 
  • #107
Where is MIH when there's a job to do?
 
  • #108
rewebster said:
Where is MIH when there's a job to do?
Mullerian Inhibiting Hormone?
 
  • #109
What's the hawk story? Somehow I missed that completely.
 
  • #110
EL said:
It curled up immediately after it had jumped.

Too complicated. I say poltergeist.
 
  • #111
Math Is Hard said:
Too complicated. I say poltergeist.
:smile:
 
  • #112
Math Is Hard said:
Too complicated. I say poltergeist.

Martians. MARTIANS!
 
  • #113
Chi Meson said:
I will point out that eyewitness accounts of events are actually the least accurate and reliable sources of data and information.

In conjunction with UFO sightings there was a filmed test of this on the History Channel a couple years back. Nature hikers being lead on a walk suddenly encountered a taped off area where military personnel told them there was a "downed craft" up ahead and they weren't allowed to go any further. The group leader and military guys were part of a staged scenario, of course. The encounter was taped and the hikers were later interviewed about what had transpired. None of their stories faithfully matched what was recorded on the tape, and one woman claimed the crashed craft was actually visible in the distance, when in fact, there was no such thing there.
 
  • #114
out of whack said:
Martians. MARTIANS!

For gods sake, they are not invisible! (At least not the ones I've met.)
 
  • #115
EL said:
For gods sake, they are not invisible! (At least not the ones I've met.)

Of course not, that would be absurd. It's when they turn on their mind-controlling rays that they block your ability to see them, so you should always wear a tin-foil helmet.


zoobyshoe said:
None of their stories faithfully matched what was recorded on the tape

No kidding. Witnesses, even reputable and respected members of society, are notoriously unreliable. I understand this is a recognized problem in criminology: criminal trials are strongly based on eyewitness accounts and unfortunately people have a habit of honestly believing seeing things that never happened, forgetting events that did and/or misjudging what they saw. Our mind seems to work to ensure that our perceptions are consistent with each other and it can be impossible to distinguish between images truly received and those that were self-generated. If a cat suddenly jumps sideways because of a static spark on its muzzle or whatever then the legs must be extended. But if the last direct (non-peripheral) image of the cat was in a recoiled position, this image could be the one retained by a witness. A different witness would not see the legs of a cat moving sideways in her general direction but could readily accept the testimony of the first one to the point of remembering seeing it too. And if both witnesses already believe that things move on their own in the house instead of being misplaced at times or nudged by a hyperactive cat at other times, well a spooky perception of events can result.


Evo said:
:frown: You're ruining my cat story.

No, no, we're embellishing it with errant speculations of a different nature. It gives you more topics to discuss the next time you tell the story. But stick to the original version around the campfire.
 
  • #116
out of whack said:
No kidding. Witnesses, even reputable and respected members of society, are notoriously unreliable. I understand this is a recognized problem in criminology: criminal trials are strongly based on eyewitness accounts and unfortunately people have a habit of honestly believing seeing things that never happened, forgetting events that did and/or misjudging what they saw. Our mind seems to work to ensure that our perceptions are consistent with each other and it can be impossible to distinguish between images truly received and those that were self-generated. If a cat suddenly jumps sideways because of a static spark on its muzzle or whatever then the legs must be extended. But if the last direct (non-peripheral) image of the cat was in a recoiled position, this image could be the one retained by a witness. A different witness would not see the legs of a cat moving sideways in her general direction but could readily accept the testimony of the first one to the point of remembering seeing it too. And if both witnesses already believe that things move on their own in the house instead of being misplaced at times or nudged by a hyperactive cat at other times, well a spooky perception of events can result.

Neurologist Oliver Sacks once broke his leg running in terror away from an hallucination. He was hiking up a mountain where there was known to be a wild bull which had attacked people. He put that out of his mind, thinking the danger of an encounter was slim. However...

"I had, indeed, just emerged from the mist, and was walking around a boulder as big as a house, the path curving around it so I could not see ahead, and it was this inability to see ahead which permitted The Meeting. I practically trod on what lay before me-an enormous animal sitting in the path, and indeed totally occupying the path, whose presence had been hidden by the rounded bulk of the rock. It had a huge horned head, a stupendous white body and an enormous mild, milk-white face. It sat unmoved by my appearance, exceedingly calm, except that it turned its vast white face up towards me. And in that moment it changed, before my eyes, becoming transformed from magnificent to utterly monstrous. The huge white face seemed to swell and swell, and the great bulbous eyes became radiant with malignance. The face grew huger and huger all the time, until I thought it would blot out the Universe. The bull became hideous, hideous beyond belief, hideous in strength, malevolence and cunning. It seemed now to be stamped with the infernal in every feature. It became first a monster, and now the Devil."

A Leg To Stand On
-Oliver Sacks
Harper Perennial, 1984, page 20

(The upshot was that he turned and ran so recklessly away that he tripped down an incline and suffered a massive injury to one leg. The rest of the book is about, roughly, what it's like for a doctor to become a patient.)

Startle, not to mention outright fear, can do an amazing number on your perceptions.
 
  • #117
funny thing about ghosts and spirits (and most, if at all of those other 'mystical' things/occurrences)---they only happen when there's only one or two people around, they don't they much evidence, and ya' never have a camera when they do happen--

--I think it's a conspiritcy
 
  • #118
Are you saying my hawk wasn't real? :devil:
 
  • #119
Evo said:
Are you saying my hawk wasn't real? :devil:

Were you wearing your tinfoil helmet at the time?
 
  • #120
Evo said:
Are you saying my hawk wasn't real? :devil:

Link me to the hawk story. I haven't heard that one.
 

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