What should be a very simple optics question is giving me problems (two lenses)

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The discussion focuses on solving a two-lens optics problem involving two converging thin lenses with focal lengths f1 = 20 cm and f2 = 10 cm. The object is located at x=0, with Lens 1 at x=40 cm and Lens 2 at x=70 cm. The correct approach involves treating the image formed by the first lens as a virtual object for the second lens, leading to the final image location of i' = 5 cm to the right of the second lens. The initial miscalculations stemmed from incorrect object distance assumptions.

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I'm studying for the GREs, and I ran across this problem:

Object located at x=0
Lens 1 located at x=40cm
Lens 2 located at x=70cm (30cm from lens 1)

f1 = 20cm
f2 = 10cm

Both lenses are converging, thin lenses. So I have to find the final image location.

The understanding I have of multiple lens problems is that you find the image from the first lens and treat that as the object for the second lens. I'm guessing this approach is wrong because it's leading to nonsensical answers:

[itex]\frac{1}{f1}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{o}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{i}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{20}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{40}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{i}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{2}{40}[/itex] - [itex]\frac{1}{40}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{i}[/itex]

40 = i = o' (this is 10 cm to the right of the second lens; on the focal point which means that I'm going to get the second image at x=-infinity)

[itex]\frac{1}{f2}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{o'}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{i'}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{10}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{40-30}[/itex] + [itex]\frac{1}{i'}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{1}{10}[/itex] - [itex]\frac{1}{10}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{1}{i'}[/itex]

i' = infinity

The answer is actually i' = 5 cm to the right of the second lens. I have no idea how to get to this though. Where'd I go amiss?
 
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FatCat0 said:
The answer is actually i' = 5 cm to the right of the second lens. I have no idea how to get to this though. Where'd I go amiss?
Since the image is 10 cm to the right of the second lens, it must be treated as a virtual object: Use an object distance = -10 cm (not + 10 cm, which would represent a real object 10 cm to the left of the lens).
 
That fixes the side (thank you), but won't that still result in +infinity as the location of the final image?

Edit: Nevermind, I actually redid it and realized that I jumped the gun. That worked, thanks!
 
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