What size of tube steel is needed for a 1500-2000 lb load on a 48 x 76 frame?

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The discussion revolves around determining the appropriate size of tube steel needed to construct a frame for a slide-out rail system intended for a pickup truck. The frame dimensions are specified as 48 inches wide and 76 inches long, with an estimated load capacity of 1500-2000 lbs. Participants explore engineering considerations related to load-bearing, structural integrity, and practical construction methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on the size of rectangular tube steel required to support a load of 1500-2000 lbs without sagging, while also considering ease of procurement.
  • Another participant questions whether the project is aimed at creating a permanent steel pallet for loading containers into a pickup truck.
  • A clarification is provided that the frame will rest on rollers, allowing tools to be easily accessed from the back of the truck bed.
  • Concerns are raised about the bending moments and load distribution, particularly with a significant load extending out from the truck bed, suggesting that this could create substantial stress on the frame and anchors.
  • One participant recommends replicating existing commercial designs for safety and efficiency, suggesting that without a strong engineering background, it may be unwise to attempt a custom design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of the project, with some advocating for caution and reliance on established designs, while others are focused on the specifics of load-bearing requirements. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach to constructing the frame.

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Participants note potential issues related to bending moments and load distribution, which remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify specific assumptions about material properties or design constraints.

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Individuals interested in engineering design, particularly in the context of custom fabrication for vehicles, as well as those exploring load-bearing structures and safety considerations in mechanical design.

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Hello all! I am not the most well versed in engineering but my old man is attempting to build a slide out rail system for his pick up truck. The design we have in mind calls for a frame made of tube steel however what we have laying around the shop seems to be a bit overkill (or maybe not). The frame will be 48" wide and 76" long with 3 braces located on the inside of the frame. Based on rough weight estimate fully loaded the frame will itself will need to support between 1500-2000 lbs.

Any help figuring out what size rectangular tube steel to A) carry the load B) not sag under load or its own weight and C) be fairly easy to obtain would be greatly appreciated as this is neither of our specialty.

If more details on the design are needed I have a simple drawing I can share showing the use of track rollers to allow the frame to slide in and out of the truck bed.

Thanks, Otto
 
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You're trying to build a permanent steel pallet for "container" loading of a pick-up truck?
 
We are attempting to build a frame that will rest on a set of rollers allowing all the tools to sit on this "pallet". The pallet will rest on the rollers letting the pallet be pulled out the back of the truck bed so no has to climb into the bed to get the items at the front.

Something like this: http://www.pickupspecialties.com/Bedslide/bedslide.htm
 
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My inclination? Someone's already in the business and willing to accept the liability issues for the engineering and load limits, and probably cheaper in the long run than what can be done "by guess and by gosh." The killer on the design issue is going to be the bending moment at full extension plus bed anchors; a one ton load sticking four feet out the back end is putting a two ton load on the front rail anchor (non-trivial for most bed construction), and putting a monstrous bending moment on the frame just over the back edge of the bed floor. If you've got to do this thing, try mocking up with 2 x 4s first and just see what sort of loads it takes to break them, or that they can support.
 
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xOttox said:

I would just try to duplicate the construction of those items. Unless you have a very strong ME/design background, and probably access to some FEA software, it doesn't make sense for you to try to come up with this on your own (even with "help" over the Internet).
 

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