What Test Tube/Cylinder is suitable for Faraday Effect?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the suitability of different types of containers, specifically test tubes and fluid tubes, for conducting an experiment on the Faraday Effect. Participants explore the implications of using curved surfaces on light polarization and discuss alternative materials and methods for the experiment.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that the curved bottom of a test tube may disrupt the polarization of light, suggesting that flat surfaces for entry and exit windows are necessary for accurate results.
  • Another participant questions the choice of distilled water, asking about its Verdet constant and implying that its low value may not yield significant results.
  • A participant suggests using flat microscope glass slides glued onto the ends of a tube as a potential solution to the curvature issue.
  • There is a mention of using various other materials, such as a glass rod, olive oil, and air, to test in addition to distilled water, indicating a desire for common samples that are easier to obtain.
  • Participants discuss the need for a suitable market to acquire a fluid tube that meets the experimental requirements, noting difficulties in finding appropriate options.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best type of container for the experiment. There are multiple competing views regarding the effects of curved surfaces on light polarization and the choice of materials for testing.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the Verdet constant of distilled water and its implications for the experiment, but there is no agreement on the adequacy of this choice or the effectiveness of alternative materials.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students or amateur experimenters interested in replicating the Faraday Effect, as well as those exploring the practical aspects of experimental design in optics.

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I am a high school student replicating the Faraday Effect. I plan to insert a clear liquid, such as distilled water, into a container that will be located inside of solenoid. I plan on using a test tube, however, I have doubts on whether or not the curved bottom of a test tube will alter the transition of light when it travels inside of the solenoid.

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Above is an apparatus that is a very close approximation of my experiment. I plan to insert the test tube inside of the solenoid, held together by clay or an applicable substance that can hold the tube in place. Will the tube provide accurate rotation of the light regardless of its curved surface, and if not, is there another alternative I can use?
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KShah423 said:
I am a high school student replicating the Faraday Effect. I plan to insert a clear liquid, such as distilled water, into a container that will be located inside of solenoid. I plan on using a test tube, however, I have doubts on whether or not the curved bottom of a test tube will alter the transition of light when it travels inside of the solenoid.

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_EcSreEAc2p00f3WEiF2-NiEvjQs5QbY2j7xpCciR3tv0oLkx.jpg


Above is an apparatus that is a very close approximation of my experiment. I plan to insert the test tube inside of the solenoid, held together by clay or an applicable substance that can hold the tube in place. Will the tube provide accurate rotation of the light regardless of its curved surface, and if not, is there another alternative I can use?
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I think you will need flat surfaces for the entry and exit windows of your fluid tube. Otherwise the curved surfaces will disrupt the polarization of the light and muddy your results.

Also, why are you planning on using distilled water? What is the Verdet constant of distilled water?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect

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I think you will need flat surfaces for the entry and exit windows of your fluid tube. Otherwise the curved surfaces will disrupt the polarization of the light and muddy your results.

Also, why are you planning on using distilled water? What is the Verdet constant of distilled water?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect

Thank you for your advice!
Would you know a market through which I can acquire a cheap fluid tube? I have looked in many places, Amazon for example, but I have only found test tubes with an open surface and a curved bottom, both of which are not what I need. I would appreciate it if you or anyone on the forum can assist me in finding this information.

I plan to use more than just distilled water, such as a glass rod, olive oil, air, etc. I am looking for common samples to test as it is fairly difficult to find relatively exotic samples. The Verdet constant of water is 1.17525E-6, which is minute, but I can try using higher voltage or a solenoid with more turns to observe the rotation.
 
KShah423 said:
I think you will need flat surfaces for the entry and exit windows of your fluid tube. Otherwise the curved surfaces will disrupt the polarization of the light and muddy your results.

Also, why are you planning on using distilled water? What is the Verdet constant of distilled water?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_effect

Thank you for your advice!
Would you know a market through which I can acquire a cheap fluid tube? I have looked in many places, Amazon for example, but I have only found test tubes with an open surface and a curved bottom, both of which are not what I need. I would appreciate it if you or anyone on the forum can assist me in finding this information.

I plan to use more than just distilled water, such as a glass rod, olive oil, air, etc. I am looking for common samples to test as it is fairly difficult to find relatively exotic samples. The Verdet constant of water is 1.17525E-6, which is minute, but I can try using higher voltage or a solenoid with more turns to observe the rotation.
I would perhaps try gluing flat microscope glass slides onto the ends of a glass or plastic tube, with a hole drilled in the top for filling with liquid and draining.

BTW, if you want to quote another user in your reply, try clicking the "Reply" arrow in the lower left of their post. That will copy a quoted version into your reply window to make it easier to understand what is quoted. :smile:
 
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