What is the Wavelength of Corona Discharge in High Voltage Testing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of the wavelength of light emitted during corona discharge in high voltage testing, specifically in a controlled environment. Participants explore methods for capturing and analyzing the light spectrum produced by corona discharge, including the use of spectrometers and diffraction gratings.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to determine the wavelength of corona discharge light for further investigation, noting the challenges of capturing this light in a dark test room.
  • Another participant suggests that the light may be broadband UV excitation and mentions the need for a telescope and grating to analyze the spectrum of ionized gases.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of calculating the wavelength and the importance of knowing the distance to the sensor for accurate measurements.
  • Participants propose calibrating a spectrograph using LEDs with known colors to assist in wavelength determination.
  • One participant shares a link to open-source spectrometer software and discusses the selection of a webcam and telescope for capturing UV light.
  • Concerns are raised about the choice between transmission and reflection gratings, with a focus on efficiency for UV wavelengths.
  • Participants discuss the significance of groove angle in diffraction gratings and its relation to wavelength resolution.
  • There is clarification regarding the blaze angle of gratings and its implications for measurement accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the best methods and equipment for measuring the wavelength of corona discharge light, and the discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on specific approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various technical specifications and considerations, such as groove density and angle, which may affect the performance of the gratings. There is also uncertainty regarding the effectiveness of different types of gratings for the intended wavelength range.

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I would like to measure the wavelength of light source
Hi,

I am doing high voltage testing (20-35 kV or more) where I am trying to capture corona discharge. My DUT is in a dark test room with no light. I am using a Canon EOS T7 (2000D) DSLR to capture the corona. What I would like to know is the wavelength of the corona so I can do further investigations. The light it not too bright as you can tell form the picture attached.

Please note: In the picture attached, the green light is coming from a small LED that was on a different measurement device in the room. The LED has since been covered, so the green light is no longer present. I included this image because the green light may makes it a little clearer the size scale of things. This image is of a 10 AWG wire connected to a 16 AWG wire using a ring terminal. The connection is in a beaker filled with transformer oil to eliminate discharges at that point. The other end of the 16 AWG wire has a small plastic connector attached and is in air. The corona is occurring where the wires are inserted in the connector. The purplish color on the beaker is not corona from the connector inside but a reflection from air. All of this is sitting on a shiny white insulator which is also the reason for the small reflection at the bottom of the wire.

Any suggestions on how to measure the wavelength of this light while not actually in the room is much appreciated. I can run cables to any equipment inside the room but objects in the room must be fixed in place.
 

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I expect it will be broadband UV excitation, but if you analyse the spectrum you will see the spectrum of ionised atmospheric gasses, and maybe the metal of the wire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora#Colors_and_wavelengths_of_auroral_light
You will need a telescope and a grating to generate the optical spectrum.
The wide UV spectrum will be more difficult to analyse due to transmission of UV.
 
Good idea. I'll see if I can find a grading for a camera lenses specifically. If not, I'm sure I can find a way to attach one. I think the tricky part would be calculating the wavelength though. I would need the distance to the sensor I'm guessing? With such a short distance, I think too rough of an estimate might really skew the calculations.
 
You can calibrate a spectrograph with different chemical composition LEDs that produce known colours.
 
Baluncore said:
You will need a telescope and a grating to generate the optical spectrum.
Ah ok I see what you mean now! I found an open source spectrometer software that can run on windows and work with many webcams. Now it's just a matter of building the telescope and selecting a webcam.
Here is the link in case anyone else is ever interested. Just search for spectrometer
https://www.theremino.com/

Since I'm interested in mainly UV, do you have any suggestions on on key things to keep in mind? So far I've found that the higher number of groves/mm, the smaller the wavelength it can resolve. In my case I'm considering 1200 grooves/mm which they claim is good down to 235 nm. I know probably won't be able to see this low anyway with the camera, but I'd still like to pay a little more and get the better item so I can always upgrade or reuse for more purposes later. How does the groove angle effect things and why should I consider this? I noticed that one is 26.74 degrees and another is 36.87 degrees with the same 1200 gooves/mm.
I am considering the G1200TU26.7GB and G1200TU36.9GB due to the size and grooves/mm (1200/mm).
https://www.dynasil.com/product-category/diffraction-gratings/transmission-gratings/
 
For wide-band you must use reflection from a metallic surface, not transmission.

The groove angle is the approximate tool dimensions.
26.74° = arctan( 1 / 2 );
36.87° = arctan( 3 / 4 );
 
Baluncore said:
For wide-band you must use reflection from a metallic surface, not transmission.

The groove angle is the approximate tool dimensions.
26.74° = arctan( 1 / 2 );
36.87° = arctan( 3 / 4 );

What are the transmission gratings for? I also found some through Thorlabs shown below. From looking at their efficiency plots, it looks like I would actually want either 300 groves/mm (GTU13-03) or 600 groves/mm (GTU13-06) as these offer the highest efficiency from 235-400 nm.
https://www.thorlabs.com/newgrouppage9.cfm?objectgroup_id=1122

Ok I think I understand about the groove angle. Is Case a or Case b the correct angle it's measuring?
 
Ok actually I think both of those are wrong. I reviewed the grating tutorial on Thorlab's website earlier. They have blaze and transmission listed separate so I thought this angle was not the angle discussed for braze. I just downloaded the PDF drawing of this and it specifically lists it as braze angle. So I understand that now and see both of my previous drawings were incorrect.

I believe this image gamma is the angle it's referring to, right?
 

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