What to do with Depleted Uranium?

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The discussion revolves around the handling and potential uses of depleted uranium (DU), particularly in the context of a found object believed to be a counterweight. Participants explore various options for disposal, safety concerns, and the historical context of DU usage in aviation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the found object may serve as a counterweight due to uranium's high density.
  • One participant expresses caution about the potential radiological hazards and recommends contacting radiation protection experts.
  • Another participant proposes wrapping the object in a lead container to mitigate risks, while others argue that lead may not be necessary as paint can block alpha particles.
  • Concerns are raised about the history of the object and the potential for it to be shedding depleted uranium particles.
  • There are suggestions to contact the Boeing Company for advice on disposal, as they previously used DU in their products.
  • Some participants mention the value of depleted uranium and the legal implications of possessing it, including the need to document its acquisition.
  • Discussion includes the chemical toxicity of uranium and the risks associated with ingestion or inhalation of dust.
  • A participant references regulations regarding the storage of depleted uranium in the USA, highlighting limits on quantity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best course of action for handling the depleted uranium. There are multiple competing views on safety measures, disposal methods, and the necessity of involving government agencies.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of concern regarding the radiological and chemical hazards of depleted uranium, and there are unresolved questions about the object's history and condition. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on regulatory compliance and safety practices.

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Found this recently. Anyone know where it came from and what I can or should do with it? Thanks.
 

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I guess it's a counter-weight or balance for something. Uranium is nearly twice as dense as lead so it is pretty useful for such purposes. Not sure what you could do with it but it might be valuable.
 
Wow - and i thought i had some unusual junkyard finds...

Have you tried a search on
"National Lead" Uranium ?

As unusual as that thing is,
and what a great guillotine log splitter it'd make,
the phrase "Depleted Uranium" scares people.
were it mine
i'd contact somebody familiar with radiation protection and ask them to come 'swipe' it, meaning see if it has radioactive dust on it. I'm lucky, have a son-in-law in that field.
Maybe you live near a nuke plant or medical facility and know somebody who works there?

If not, i'd call USNRC
http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/regulatory/allegations/safety-concern.html
and explain "I found this thing and want to assure myself it's not a liability ."

you want an outfit that understands uranium lest you get bureaucratic over-reaction and a scene like this great one from ET :
et-house-movie-750x499.jpg


Hopefully they'll tell you it's okay and give you some documentation to that effect.

Meantime i'd put on some gloves and a dust mask, wrap it up in plastic , stash it out of the weather, bag the gloves & mask and keep them with it.
Then take a nice hot shower.

my two cents
probably I'm over-cautious
better safe than sorry
you don't want to turn up "EPA Positive" .

old jim
 
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Well I don't like the idea of getting some government agency involved. I'll wrap it up and place it in a lead container and see if I can find someone interested in taking it off my hands.
 
Wazzu890 said:
I'll wrap it up and place it in a lead container and see if I can find someone interested in taking it off my hands.
That way, government agencies get really interested in it...
 
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Wazzu890 said:
Well I don't like the idea of getting some government agency involved. I'll wrap it up and place it in a lead container and see if I can find someone interested in taking it off my hands.
No need for lead. The paint already stops the alpha particles. The only risk of uranium is ingestion or inhalation of dust, and then the chemical toxicity is also a concern.
 
http://www.nrc.gov/materials/fuel-cycle-fac/ur-deconversion/faq-depleted-ur-decon.html#2
What is the current method for disposing of depleted uranium?

Depleted uranium is primarily stored at the enrichment facilities in the form of uranium hexafluoride (UF6), a chemical form required for enrichment but not optimal for long-term storage. This depleted uranium hexafluoride (DUF6) is typically stored in 14-ton cylinders near the enrichment facilities. Processed depleted uranium may be sold for commercial uses such as counterweights, military penetrators, shielding, etc. Alternatively, material may be transferred to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) for a fee. It may also be disposed of at commercial disposal sites if the material meets the site's disposal criteria.
It may have been improperly disposed of, so one should call the state health department or whatever department regulates industrial or hazardous waste, and find out how get it properly dispositioned.

Uranium is a heavy metal and ingested it may be harmful to certain organs, like the kidneys. It's not so much a radiological hazard as a chemical hazard.
 
Wazzu890 said:
Well I don't like the idea of getting some government agency involved. I'll wrap it up and place it in a lead container and see if I can find someone interested in taking it off my hands.
EBAY ? As Piet says
alpha particles don't go very far, paint will seal them up.
I'd brush not spray.

My only worry about that thing is you don't know its history. If it's got broke inside and is shedding DU (Depleted Uranium) particles it needs to be re-sealed and cleaned up after.

Probably it's just fine

but i wouldn't have brought it home .


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At a guess, I’d say that is probably the trailing-edge counterweight from the horizontal stabiliser of an (early model) Boeing 747.

At one time the Boeing Company used to accept them back from customers for recycling. However, Boeing stopped using DU in the early-mid eighties (replaced it with tungsten, I believe) so they might not be too keen to take it off your hands now.

You could try giving the Boeing Company a call. Even if they won’t take it back (assuming it really is a Boeing part) they might be able to advise on safe disposal.
 
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Where are you located?
 
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DU is worth better part of $100 a pound per some DOE site i saw

it's also not legal to "abandon" it under the 'general license'
so document where & how you got it
 
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I know this is an old thread

That'd make great ballast for a sailboat keel. Where is it located ?
 
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jim hardy said:
DU is worth better part of $100 a pound per some DOE site i saw
I'm not sure how general that statement is. The ZEUS experiment at HERA got depleted uranium from the DOE, after decommissioning the detector the DOE didn't want to take it back. This talk discusses how to get rid of it as well, ZEUS is mentioned on slide 18.
 
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PietKuip said:
No need for lead. The paint already stops the alpha particles. The only risk of uranium is ingestion or inhalation of dust, and then the chemical toxicity is also a concern.
Paint won't stop all the 49.5 keV gamma decay from U238.
 
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Wazzu890 said:
Found this recently. Anyone know where it came from and what I can or should do with it? Thanks.
I should preface this by saying I realize that this thread is 3.5 years old; I would be using the private message system but it won't allow me to message Wazzu890 for some reason.

Is this by any chance still in your possession? I've been in the element-collecting business for a few years now, and this is the first I've seen one of these counterweights.
 
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If in USA, Just don't store more than 15 pounds at one time or over 150 pounds per year total. check NRC rules they change frequently since 9/11.
George Dowell
 

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