What units does incident light have in UV spectroscopy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the units of incident light in UV spectroscopy, exploring the nature of light measurement and the implications of different units such as joules and watts. Participants examine the definitions of transmission and the relevance of wavelength and wavenumber in the context of spectroscopy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that incident light could be measured in joules, as light is electromagnetic radiation (EMR), but acknowledges potential complexity.
  • Another participant proposes that watts would be more appropriate, emphasizing the consideration of steady power incidence.
  • A participant notes that wavenumber (1/length) is sometimes used in spectroscopy, as it relates more naturally to light scattering by matter.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of "amount" in the context of light measurement, questioning whether it refers to energy, power, or number of photons.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to specify the measurement "window" when quantifying energy in joules, as different time windows could yield different results.
  • Another participant mentions that most photodetectors provide readings in terms of power, which may be more intuitive when considering the area of the detector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate units for incident light, with some favoring joules and others advocating for watts. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the measurement of light in UV spectroscopy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of defining physical quantities being measured and the implications of measurement time windows on energy quantification.

Moogie
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Hi

What units does incident light have in UV spec? Is it joules? Transmission is defined as transmitted light / incident light so any units of light simply cancel out to give a unitless number. I presume the original units were joules as light is EMR? Perhaps its more complicated than that

thanks
 
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Watts would be more appropriate, I think, as you would normally be considering a steady incidence of power.
 
sometimes the wavelength is specified as 1/length (i.e. cm^-1) in spectroscopy, because that more naturally relates to the scattering of light by matter.
 
Agreed.
 
Transmission refers to an amount of light though.

You often use wavenumber in IR spec as the units of 1/wavelength are much more amenable than wavelength. But regardless, wavelength or wavenumber is the quantity that goes along the x axis. The amount of light that passes through the solution at that wavelength is the transmission and that goes on the y-axis and that can't be measured in nm or cm^-1 (for wavenumber).
 
But then it makes your question rather vague. What "amount" are you quantifying? There is no such thing as an "amount" here without defining a physical quantity that is being measured. Is it energy, power, number of photons, etc.?

In optical transmission measurement, while it is often that the quantity of interest is often the wave number, even this has a connection to the photon energy (see the simple conversion on the inside back cover of Ashcroft and Mermin's text).

Zz.
 
I suppose that's what I was trying to ask. An amount of EMR is energy so surely its joules? But I'm not used to dealing with EMR so it just seemed unusual and I wanted confirmation
 
Moogie said:
I suppose that's what I was trying to ask. An amount of EMR is energy so surely its joules? But I'm not used to dealing with EMR so it just seemed unusual and I wanted confirmation

But if you are quantifying the energy in Joules, you need to specify the "window" of the measurement, i.e. how long was the detector open to receive that much energy. If not, I could do the same measurement with a different time window on the SAME light source, and get a different answer!

Most photodetector will give you a reading of "power", i.e. the rate of energy received. This makes a bit more sense, especially if you know either the light spot size or the photodetector area. Either one of these will give you all the other information (such as energy per unit time) that you might need.

Zz.
 
Thanks. I believe that was what sophiecentaur suggested until he/she changed their mind
 

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