What Values of ##\lambda## Allow Non-Trivial Solutions in This Linear System?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of ##\lambda## for which a given system of linear equations has non-trivial solutions. The equations involve multiple variables and are represented in matrix form.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss manipulating the system of equations into matrix form and exploring different cases based on the value of ##\lambda##. There are attempts to simplify the matrix through row operations, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the next steps and potential mistakes in their calculations. Questions arise regarding the implications of setting ##\lambda## to specific values, such as 0 or 2, and how that affects the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts at row reduction and seeking clarification on the implications of certain values of ##\lambda##. Some guidance has been provided regarding the continuation of row operations, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps or the overall approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of different values of ##\lambda##, including special cases like ##\lambda=0## and ##\lambda=2##, and are questioning how these affect the existence of non-trivial solutions. There is a focus on ensuring the correctness of row operations and the resulting matrix forms.

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Homework Statement


3.For which values of ##\lambda## does the following system of equations also have non trivial solutions

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


What I tried doing first is to put all variables on the same side and got
##
v+y-\lambda*x=0\\
x+z-\lambda*y=0\\
y+u-\lambda*z=0\\
z+v-\lambda*u=0\\
u+x-\lambda*v=0
##
and when I wrote the coefficient into the matrix i got
##
\begin{bmatrix}

-\lambda& 1 &0&0&1\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##

here I noticed that all the columns sum to the same number ##2-\lambda## there I summed everything into the first row and got
##
\begin{bmatrix}

2-\lambda & 2-\lambda&2-\lambda&2-\lambda&2-\lambda\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
here I looked into 2 different possibilities if a) ##\lambda=2## and b) ##\lambda\neq2##.
However a) is pretty simple and it's mostly b) that I'm having trouble with.
Here I thought if ##\lambda\neq2## then I can divide the first row by ##2-\lambda##
When I did this my matrix looked like this
##
\begin{bmatrix}

1 & 1&1&1&1\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
Then I subtracted the first row from the second and last one and got
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&-\lambda-1&0&-1&-1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
0&-1&-1&0&-\lambda-1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
then I just rearranged some rows so that it would be easier for me to read
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-1&-1&0&-\lambda-1\\
0&-\lambda-1&0&-1&-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
then I added the second row to the third and forth one and switched the third and forth row
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-\lambda&-\lambda&0&-1\\
0&0&-1-\lambda&1&-\lambda-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
Lastly I added the last row to the forth one and switched them
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-\lambda&-\lambda&0&-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
0&0&-\lambda&1-\lambda&-\lambda\\

\end{bmatrix}
##
Here is where I get stuck. I don't know how to continue from here on out. Maybe I made a mistake somewhere in my addition however I went through it at least a few times and I was not able to find it:
Any help / tips are greatly appreciated
Thanks
 

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nightingale123 said:

Homework Statement


3.For which values of ##\lambda## does the following system of equations also have non trivial solutions

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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


What I tried doing first is to put all variables on the same side and got
##
v+y-\lambda*x=0\\
x+z-\lambda*y=0\\
y+u-\lambda*z=0\\
z+v-\lambda*u=0\\
u+x-\lambda*v=0
##
and when I wrote the coefficient into the matrix i got
##
\begin{bmatrix}

-\lambda& 1 &0&0&1\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##

here I noticed that all the columns sum to the same number ##2-\lambda## there I summed everything into the first row and got
##
\begin{bmatrix}

2-\lambda & 2-\lambda&2-\lambda&2-\lambda&2-\lambda\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
here I looked into 2 different possibilities if a) ##\lambda=2## and b) ##\lambda\neq2##.
However a) is pretty simple and it's mostly b) that I'm having trouble with.
Here I thought if ##\lambda\neq2## then I can divide the first row by ##2-\lambda##
When I did this my matrix looked like this
##
\begin{bmatrix}

1 & 1&1&1&1\\
1&-\lambda&1&0&0\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
1&0&0&1&-\lambda\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
Then I subtracted the first row from the second and last one and got
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&-\lambda-1&0&-1&-1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
0&-1&-1&0&-\lambda-1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
then I just rearranged some rows so that it would be easier for me to read
After your first step (when all the entries in row 1 were 1), you used the first entry in row 1 to eliminate all the entries below it. Continue this process by using the 2nd entry in row 2 (the pivot) to eliminate all entries above and below it. Continue this process until you have a diagonal matrix or until the matrix is as reduced as possible.
nightingale123 said:
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-1&-1&0&-\lambda-1\\
0&-\lambda-1&0&-1&-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
then I added the second row to the third and forth one and switched the third and forth row
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-\lambda&-\lambda&0&-1\\
0&0&-1-\lambda&1&-\lambda-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
\end{bmatrix}
##
Lastly I added the last row to the forth one and switched them
##
\begin{bmatrix}
1 & 1&1&1&1\\
0&1&-\lambda&1&0\\
0&-\lambda&-\lambda&0&-1\\
0&0&1&-\lambda&1\\
0&0&-\lambda&1-\lambda&-\lambda\\

\end{bmatrix}
##
Here is where I get stuck. I don't know how to continue from here on out. Maybe I made a mistake somewhere in my addition however I went through it at least a few times and I was not able to find it:
Any help / tips are greatly appreciated
Thanks
 
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Thank you for the reply.
I though about doing that however does that mean that I have to multiply some rows with ##\lambda## to get the other ones to cancel out ?
If so do I also need to check what happens when ##\lambda=0## ?
 
nightingale123 said:
Thank you for the reply.
I though about doing that however does that mean that I have to multiply some rows with ##\lambda## to get the other ones to cancel out ?
If so do I also need to check what happens when ##\lambda=0## ?
Yes to the first question. For the second, you could go back to your first matrix and replace ##\lambda## with 0, and see what you get from that.
 

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