What Would a Traveler See When Falling into a Black Hole?

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The discussion revolves around the visual and temporal experiences of a traveler falling into a black hole, exploring theoretical observations from both the traveler’s and an external observer’s perspectives. It includes considerations of gravitational effects on light and time as well as the implications of these effects on perception and observation near the event horizon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a traveler would see the sky light up due to the microwave background radiation being shifted into the visible range, but later acknowledges this perspective is limited to stationary observers.
  • Another participant presents a thought experiment involving two observers, Jack and Jill, detailing how Jack sees his surroundings and how Jill perceives Jack's laser flashes as he falls into the black hole.
  • Jack perceives his laser flashes at regular intervals, while Jill sees them increasingly redshifted and delayed, illustrating the differences in time perception between the two observers.
  • It is noted that as Jack approaches the event horizon, he sees the universe vanish, while Jill observes a final faint flash from Jack's laser after a significant delay.
  • One participant comments on the complexities of visual perception near a black hole, stating that the sky both blueshifts and redshifts depending on the observer's angle, and discusses the effects of Doppler shifts and the headlight effect on the perceived size of the black hole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the visual and temporal experiences of a traveler falling into a black hole, with some agreeing on certain aspects while others introduce competing interpretations and nuances. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of these experiences.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the observations, particularly regarding the definitions of redshift and blueshift, as well as the effects of gravitational forces on light and time perception. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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ok, so i used to think that when someone fell into a black hole several things would happen at the horizon
1. the sky would light up because the microwave background radiation would
be contracted into the visible range
2. the outside universe would "age" to infinity (from the travelers point of view) because of the curving of space
3. i would be unable to see my feet because light cannot escape a black hole

but i realized there was a crucial flaw;
all of these observations are from a shell (stationary) observers point of view.
so now i have no idea what the traveler would see
but more importantly what time would experience
 
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this is what happens...Journey to a Black Hole: A Thought Experiment

Two observers: Jack & Jill

Jack, in a spacesuit, is falling into a black hole. He is carrying a low-power laser beacon that flashes a beam of blue light once a second.

Jill is orbiting the black hole in a starship at a safe distance away in a stable circular orbit. She watches Jack fall in by monitoring the incoming flashes from his laser beacon.

Black Hole Thought Experiment

He Said, She Said...

From Jack's point of view:

* He sees the ship getting further away.
* He flashes his blue laser at Jill once a second by his watch.

From Jill's point of view:

* Each laser flash take longer to arrive than the last
* Each laser flash become redder and fainter than the one before it.

Near the Event Horizon...

Jack Sees:

* His blue laser flash every second by his watch
* The outside world looks oddly distorted (positions of stars have changed since he started).

Jill Sees:

* Jack's laser flashing about once every hour.
* The laser flashes are now shifted to radio wavelengths, and
* the flashes are getting fainter with each flash.

Down the hole...

Jill Sees:

* One last flash from Jack's laser after a long delay (months?)
* The last flash is very faint and at very long radio wavelengths.
* She never sees another flash from Jack...

Jack Sees:

* The universe appear to vanish as he crosses the event horizon
* He gets shredded by strong tides near the singularity and crushed to infinite density.

Moral:

The powerful gravity of a black hole warps space and time around it:

* Time appears to stand still at the event horizon as seen by a distant observer.
* Time flows as it always does as seen by an infalling astronaut.
* Light emerging from near the black hole is Gravitationally Redshifted to longer (red) wavelengths.
 
Well, skywolf, your are pretty much on target [the seeing your feet thing gets tricky, but it's safe to say they are redshifted]. The 'sky' not only blueshifts, it shrinks [a light cone thing].
 
Chronos said:
Well, skywolf, your are pretty much on target [the seeing your feet thing gets tricky, but it's safe to say they are redshifted]. The 'sky' not only blueshifts, it shrinks [a light cone thing].

The sky both blueshifts and redshifts, depending on viewing angle.

Consider an observer that freely falls along a radial worldline feetfirst into a black hole. The stars directly above the observer are redshifted for the observer. Roughly, for these stars, Doppler redshift dominates gravitational blueshift.

Also, due to the headlight effect, the portion of the sky taken up by the black hole is smaller than might be expected. At the the event horizon, it might be expected that the black hole takes up half the field of the view, i.e., that everything below horizontal is black, and that above horizontal the visible universe is seen. However, at the event horizon, the visible universe takes up more that half the field of view - everything above horizontal and some of the field of view below horizontal.

In some sense, the sky expands.

See the posts by pervect and me in https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104577".

Regards,
George
 
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