What would be the approximate rotation of the sun if....

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The discussion revolves around the rotation rate of the Sun if it were to collapse into a neutron star with a radius of 10 km. Participants explore the implications of angular momentum conservation and the characteristics of neutron stars in the context of astrophysics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants attempt to apply the conservation of angular momentum to determine the new rotation rate after the Sun's collapse. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the neutron star's structure and the interpretation of units in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various attempts to calculate the rotation rate, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their methods. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding unit conversions and the interpretation of physical properties of neutron stars. Guidance has been offered to clarify assumptions and correct misunderstandings.

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Some participants question the treatment of the neutron star as a solid sphere versus a point mass, and there is confusion regarding the units used in the original problem statement. The discussion reflects a mix of confidence and doubt in the mathematical approaches taken.

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Homework Statement


The sun is a pretty typical star with a mass of 1.99x1030kg and a radius of 6.69x108 m. Since it isn't solid, it doesn't rotate uniformly, but has an average rotation rate of 1rev/25d. A star with a mass about about three times that of the Sun eventually explodes as a supernova and leaves behind its collapsed remnants - a neutron star or a black hole. Neutron stars masses are somewhat lower than the masses of the original stars, but have much smaller radii, less than 10 km. Newly-collapsed neutron stars emit beams of radio waves; since they rotate so quickly, the beams may intersect Earth at regular intervals. To produce the observed pulsar rates, the rotation rates must vary from 1rev/s to 1000rev/s.

What would be the approximate rotation rate of the Sun if it became a neutron star with a radius of 10km? Assume it is spherical, with a uniform mass distribution, and that its moment of inertia if 0.059MR2 (Since it is not a solid you can not use I for a solid sphere).

Homework Equations


I1ωo=I2ωf conservation of angular momentum
ωavg = 1rev/25d
ω0 = 1rev/(25x2x6.69x108m) = 2.99x10-11 rev/s
I1=0.059(1.99x1030kg)(6.69x108m)2
I2 = 0.059(1.99x1030)(10m)2
ωf = ?

The Attempt at a Solution


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I used I1ωo=I2ωf and solved for ωf. After I solved for this I got 133,800rev. I then divided this final answer by 25d, or 25x2x10km since the suns radius is now that of a neutron star instead of it's original 6.69x108 m. This gave me a value of 267.7 rev/s, which according to the problem statement makes sense. I'm not exactly confident in my method though so I would like to know if this is correct.
 
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I used I1ωo=I2ωf and solved for ωf. After I solved for this I got 133,800rev. I then divided this final answer by 25d, or 25x2x10km since the suns radius is now that of a neutron star instead of it's original 6.69x108 m. This gave me a value of 267.7 rev/s, which according to the problem statement makes sense. I'm not exactly confident in my method though so I would like to know if this is correct.
 
Vitani11 said:
1rev/(25x2x6.69x108m)
Why are you dividing the rate by the radius?
Vitani11 said:
I2 = 0.059(1.99x1030)(10m)2
Having collapsed to a neutron star, it is no longer a ball of gas.
Also, the new radius is 10km, not 10m.
 
Okay am I supposed to assume that a neutron star is to be regarded as a point mass? sphere? Also what is d? I saw it as a rotation rate as a function of radius which is why I did that
 
Vitani11 said:
Okay am I supposed to assume that a neutron star is to be regarded as a point mass? sphere? Also what is d? I saw it as a rotation rate as a function of radius which is why I did that

A 10 km radius point would be a good trick :smile: Treat it as a solid sphere. The "d" in 25d is meant to be the units, "days". You could have googled "sun rotation" to pick up on that.
 
Okay. Now I'm getting a number that disturbs me. 30,565 revolutions per second?!
 
Vitani11 said:
Okay. Now I'm getting a number that disturbs me. 30,565 revolutions per second?!
Looks a bit high (a couple of orders of magnitude). Check your calculations and see if you've picked up a factor of 100 somewhere (say via unit conversions or mucking some power of ten exponent work).

Failing that, present some details of your calculation steps.
 
Beautiful thank you. I got the correct answer which I'm confident in. It's reassuring (but also not) that the issue lies in the algebra and interpretation rather than the physics, lol
 

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