What Would Happen to Earth In This Scenario

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The discussion explores hypothetical scenarios regarding the impact of objects traveling at or near the speed of light with Earth, focusing on both a coin-sized object and a city-sized object. Participants consider the physical implications, energy release, and potential outcomes of such collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that objects with mass cannot travel at the speed of light, suggesting a reinterpretation of the original question to consider speeds just below light speed.
  • One participant estimates that a coin-sized object traveling at 0.9c could release energy comparable to a thermonuclear bomb, while at 0.99999c, the energy could be around 250 megatons.
  • Another participant discusses the potential for a coin-sized object to cause massive destruction or even become a black hole if traveling at sufficiently high speeds, although they express uncertainty about the physics of black holes.
  • One participant calculates that a city-sized object (5 km radius asteroid) traveling at 0.9c could have kinetic energy close to the total solar energy output in a day, but notes that it would not completely destroy Earth.
  • There is a discussion about whether a coin could form a black hole upon impact, with some participants suggesting that the energy density could be sufficient in a collision scenario.
  • Concerns are raised about the disintegration of the coin before it could penetrate the Earth, with references to previous calculations and theories about energy release.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that objects with mass cannot reach the speed of light, but there is no consensus on the implications of high-speed impacts, the potential for black hole formation, or the exact outcomes of such collisions. Multiple competing views remain regarding the energy calculations and physical consequences.

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Limitations include assumptions about the nature of mass and energy in relativistic contexts, the dependence on specific definitions of black holes, and unresolved mathematical steps in the energy calculations.

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What would happen if a coin sized object traveling at the speed of light were to collide with earth? What about a city sized object?
 
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thequestioner said:
What would happen if a coin sized object traveling at the speed of light were to collide with earth? What about a city sized object?

I think more interesting question would be what would happen to a coin traveling at the speed of light. :)
 
Coins have mass and therefore cannot travel at c
 
Please rephrase your question so that it is physically meaningful. Objects with mass cannot travel at the speed of light.
 
A coin sized object slightly slower than light can release energy comparable to a thermonuclear bomb. See the relativistic xkcd-baseball for a description. With those numbers, the released energy is about 4 MT TNT-equivalent.
 
agreed, objects with mass cannot travel at the speed of light. So I'm going to assume the OP'er meant to say traveling at almost the speed of light.

In this case, ummm, If the coin was traveling pretty fast, as mfb said, it could give off a massive explosion. If it was going even faster, it might potentially blow up the earth. If it was going really fast, then it might just become a black hole due to so much energy being in such a small space. I'm not sure on the exact physics of black holes though. I still need to learn general relativity.
 
At 0.9c a 5.6 gram quarter dollar coin from the US would have about 1.5 megatons of TNT worth of kinetic energy, or about 6.5x1015 joules.

At 0.99999c the same coin would have about 1.1x1018 joules of energy, or around 250 megatons of energy.

BruceW said:
In this case, ummm, If the coin was traveling pretty fast, as mfb said, it could give off a massive explosion. If it was going even faster, it might potentially blow up the earth. If it was going really fast, then it might just become a black hole due to so much energy being in such a small space. I'm not sure on the exact physics of black holes though. I still need to learn general relativity.

No object would ever collapse into a black hole, as in it's rest frame the object is not moving and has no additional mass or energy. As far as I understand very few people use relativistic mass anymore and use momentum instead.
 
Wrt the city sized object; taking a spherical 5km radius asteroid with a density of 5g/ml traveling at .9c the kinetic energy is a mind boggling 9.54259E+30J. That's close to the total amount of solar energy output in a day. It's still only 1% of the gravitational binding energy of Earth though so presuming that all of the energy entered the system (i.e. part of the mass didn't simply shoot out of the other side of the planet) whilst the surface would be heated to incandescence and most likely the shape and orbit of the planet warped it wouldn't be totally destroyed by any means.
 
Drakkith said:
No object would ever collapse into a black hole, as in it's rest frame the object is not moving and has no additional mass or energy.

As we are talking about a coin hitting Earth there is additional mass and energy. I don't know if the coin may form a black hole in this situation but if this happens it would cross Earth within 32 ms and than escape into space. I even don't know what this would mean to Earth.
 
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DrStupid said:
As we are talking about a coin hitting Earth there is additional mass and energy. I don't know if the coin may form a black hole in this situation but if this happens it would cross Earth within 32 ms and than escape into space. I even don't know what this would mean to Earth.
I'm not sure how we'd work this out for sure but I'm betting the coin would fully disintegrate long before it made it through the Earth. Assuming the veracity of the baseball link above this would be a safe bet.
 
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Ryan_m_b said:
I'm betting the coin would fully disintegrate long before it made it through the Earth

A black hole couldn't disintegrate. Therefore it seems to be an important question whether formation of a black hole is possible and if yes how it would happen in detail.
 
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In theory, it can form a black hole in a collision with Earth (but not as free object in space), as the center of mass energy density (which does not depend on the reference frame) can become large enough there. However, a black hole with a size of several millimeters would have a mass equivalent to the earth. The coin would probably need an energy which exceeds the mass of Earth (times c^2), and I think it needs several orders of magnitude more as it collides just with a small fraction of earth.
 

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